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Or Oberon http://www.jucs.org/jucs_4_5/open_standards_beyond_java/Franz_M.html http://www.jucs.org/jucs_4_5/open_standards_beyond_java/Fran... (1998). The tech

by cm3 10y ago

Or Oberon http://www.jucs.org/jucs_4_5/open_standards_beyond_java/Franz_M.html http://www.jucs.org/jucs_4_5/open_standards_beyond_java/Fran... (1998). The tech was released in 1996: http://www.modulaware.com/mdlt69.htm http://www.modulaware.com/mdlt69.htm https://github.com/Spirit-of-Oberon/Juice https://github.com/Spirit-of-Oberon/Juice https://github.com/berkus/Juice https://github.com/berkus/Juice

pjmlp 10y ago
With your nickname I was expecting Modula-3. :)
- cm3 10y ago
  Good point, though Juice was a direct answer to Java from a pupil of Wirth, so there's that. It's funny that Franz was influential to both Brendan Eich (JS) and Andreas Gal (Tracing JIT) but we still got JavaScript as a language, even though Brendan cited[1] Oberon as an influence. At least we got tracing JITs and the alternative AST encoding from Franz's intellectual cloud. I would really like to understand how Bill Joy and Brendan Eich studied Oberon and we still got Java and JavaScript, which haunt us to this day like the industrial takeover by C in the 1980s does. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9733520 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9733520
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    Well we eventually also got Go, but it has its own set of issues.
  - Roboprog 10y ago
    Love your description of the C/Java regime as a coup d'etat. Join the dynamic programming underground! :-) (Or at least use a static language that's not all jacked up)
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    - pjmlp 10y ago
      C would never had taken over the computing world if AT&T had the freedom to sell UNIX and did so at the same price levels as the other OSes, instead of giving almost for free to universities as they decided to do. Same thing with Java, it was available for free, just download and install with a JDK that was "batteries included" versus the chaos of trying to write portable code in C or C++ in the mid-90's.

by cm3 10y ago

pjmlp 10y ago

With your nickname I was expecting Modula-3. :)

cm3 10y ago
Good point, though Juice was a direct answer to Java from a pupil of Wirth, so there's that. It's funny that Franz was influential to both Brendan Eich (JS) and Andreas Gal (Tracing JIT) but we still got JavaScript as a language, even though Brendan cited[1] Oberon as an influence. At least we got tracing JITs and the alternative AST encoding from Franz's intellectual cloud. I would really like to understand how Bill Joy and Brendan Eich studied Oberon and we still got Java and JavaScript, which haunt us to this day like the industrial takeover by C in the 1980s does. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9733520 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9733520
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Well we eventually also got Go, but it has its own set of issues.
- Roboprog 10y ago
  Love your description of the C/Java regime as a coup d'etat. Join the dynamic programming underground! :-) (Or at least use a static language that's not all jacked up)
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  - pjmlp 10y ago
    C would never had taken over the computing world if AT&T had the freedom to sell UNIX and did so at the same price levels as the other OSes, instead of giving almost for free to universities as they decided to do. Same thing with Java, it was available for free, just download and install with a JDK that was "batteries included" versus the chaos of trying to write portable code in C or C++ in the mid-90's.