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The countries in the EU prospered on their own before the EU. The EU open border policy comes with a draconian refugee policy. That's unacceptable. Citizens of

The countries in the EU prospered on their own before the EU. The EU open border policy comes with a draconian refugee policy. That's unacceptable. Citizens of a country deserve autonomy. And if that means at the expense of open borders and less draconian rule, so be it.

greendesk 10y ago
Like the UK prospered at a time it was making Leyland cars? It is a misjudgment of history to call that time 'prospered' - words like 'persevered' and 'survived' come to mind, definitely not 'prospered'. I remember a political guide - "glorify the near history, in 20-30 years ago. People had forgotten their problems for that time, and associate the time with a positive feel. This happens regardless of reality. Any time earlier than that would not yield any memory whatsoever, so stick with ~20-30 years ago." Unfortunately, you misjudge history and put a false spin on it. Please, don't lie to Hackernews readers claiming people prospored.
- michaelbuddy 10y ago
  I'm 'lying to hacker news' because I said the UK prospered in the past? Please.
  - greendesk 10y ago
    Every country in the EU is better off economically as part of it. If you were familiar with the U.K.'s history, might I remind you that the life was so hard that it had a positive emigration away from it in the 60's and 70's? No jobs and hard jobs for those that stayed. I have to find emigration for Ireland, but considering how much Irish there are in the world it was not an easy life there. I can go on - but every current EU country 'prospored' as much as they could, but they mostly 'muddled through'.
invaliduser 10y ago
European countries were not really «prospering» on their own. They have been in war for centuries before. That's the point of having Europe as a community, play cooperatively, not free-for-all. Of course, not all countries were hit by wars, some even prospered from it. Was it your point?
thomasahle 10y ago
I think it's true that the problems for which the EU is the right tool, including the refugee crisis, the climate and international tax evasion, are mostly problems that didn't exist 100 years ago.
tim333 10y ago
Not quite sure what you mean by a draconian refugee policy but the EU doesn't make the UK admit asylum seekers hence the camp of people at Calais trying to sneak in as they are not officially allowed. There were 38,878 asylum applications in 2015 which is way less than official immigration or the numbers that other EU countries take. The two biggest nationalities applying were Syrians and Afghans, both coming from countries that the UK has been bombing. Post Brexit the French may stop running the camps at Calais leaving the asylum seekers to arrive at Dover without us being able to send them back to France which I'm sure will make the Brexit types happy.

greendesk 10y ago

Like the UK prospered at a time it was making Leyland cars? It is a misjudgment of history to call that time 'prospered' - words like 'persevered' and 'survived' come to mind, definitely not 'prospered'. I remember a political guide - "glorify the near history, in 20-30 years ago. People had forgotten their problems for that time, and associate the time with a positive feel. This happens regardless of reality. Any time earlier than that would not yield any memory whatsoever, so stick with ~20-30 years ago." Unfortunately, you misjudge history and put a false spin on it. Please, don't lie to Hackernews readers claiming people prospored.

michaelbuddy 10y ago
I'm 'lying to hacker news' because I said the UK prospered in the past? Please.
- greendesk 10y ago
  Every country in the EU is better off economically as part of it. If you were familiar with the U.K.'s history, might I remind you that the life was so hard that it had a positive emigration away from it in the 60's and 70's? No jobs and hard jobs for those that stayed. I have to find emigration for Ireland, but considering how much Irish there are in the world it was not an easy life there. I can go on - but every current EU country 'prospored' as much as they could, but they mostly 'muddled through'.

invaliduser 10y ago

European countries were not really «prospering» on their own. They have been in war for centuries before. That's the point of having Europe as a community, play cooperatively, not free-for-all. Of course, not all countries were hit by wars, some even prospered from it. Was it your point?

thomasahle 10y ago

I think it's true that the problems for which the EU is the right tool, including the refugee crisis, the climate and international tax evasion, are mostly problems that didn't exist 100 years ago.

tim333 10y ago

Not quite sure what you mean by a draconian refugee policy but the EU doesn't make the UK admit asylum seekers hence the camp of people at Calais trying to sneak in as they are not officially allowed. There were 38,878 asylum applications in 2015 which is way less than official immigration or the numbers that other EU countries take. The two biggest nationalities applying were Syrians and Afghans, both coming from countries that the UK has been bombing. Post Brexit the French may stop running the camps at Calais leaving the asylum seekers to arrive at Dover without us being able to send them back to France which I'm sure will make the Brexit types happy.