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Next on the list: Pocket, closed-source EME, Flash.

by amq 10y ago

matthewmacleod 10y ago
Are you suggesting that Firefox should remove support for EME and legacy plugins like Flash? It seems like like that will achieve little more than pissing off their users.
- amq 10y ago
  Firefox should at least ask users before enabling closed-source plugins, and give a simple way to enable/disable them like any other plugin. Or even better: distribute a clean browser and let users install things like Flash and EME as plugins.
  - blowski 10y ago
    They do - if you don't like it, don't install it. Or even fork it. The default distribution is trying to provide the best experience for the majority of users and Flash is unfortunately necessary for that.
- rye_bother 10y ago
  Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) are something I've never actually seen used anywhere. Adobe Flash: why isn't it dead yet? Pocket is retarded, and it's icon is a non-sequiteur, with no clear purpose. It's a non-obvious add-on that found it's way into the default build probably due to funding. And chatting and video calls with a browser extension alway felt very Netscape Navigator to me.
  - pix64 10y ago
    Netflix uses EME. Amazon Prime Video also I believe.
    - rye_bother 10y ago
      Ah, well, never part with tangible money for a virtual service. Especially one that refuses to inform you of the ingredients in their dog food. DRM is something worth the cost of ignoring and avoiding.
      - sp332 10y ago
        Netflix really does send me movies to watch though. Their selection is poor and they constantly remove content which is annoying, but that only lowers the value and doesn't set it to 0.
        rye_bother 10y ago
        Really? I thought they totally discontinued the part of the service that lends optical discs via snail mail?
        sp332 10y ago
        Oh I meant streaming. However they spun off the disc part of the service for a very small amount of time before customer backlash pushed them to re-integrate. Netflix has been doing physical rentals for... ~8 years since then.
gbersac 10y ago
Pocket is awesome ! I discovered it few weeks ago thanks to firefox and use it constantly since !
- janoc 10y ago
  Pocket was even better before it was integrated into FF as little more than a button sending the user to the Pocket website/webapp. I have stopped using it at that point - it was just too much hassle.
  - sp332 10y ago
    Wow, I didn't realize they just got rid of the extension. That does seem like a bad idea.
sp332 10y ago
Flash is not built-in to Firefox like it is in Chrome and Edge.
gorhill 10y ago
I sure hope they remove Pocket. I find disturbing that even after I removed Pocket as per official instruction[1] and restart the browser, I can still see it in there as per `about:memory`: 0.10 MB (00.04%) ++ firefox@getpocket.com/js-non-window/zones/zone(...)/compartment([System Principal], jar:file:///usr/lib/firefox/browser/features/firefox@getpocket.com.xpi!/bootstrap.js (from: resource://gre/modules/addons/XPIProvider.jsm:4519)) 1. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-pocket-firefox https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-pocket-firefox
bwat48 10y ago
removing the EME support would be a mistake, if people can't do something as simple as watching netflix in firefox, they won't bother using firefox. In any case, there will be an unbranded release of firefox eventually without the eme included

Next on the list: Pocket, closed-source EME, Flash.

by amq 10y ago

Next on the list: Pocket, closed-source EME, Flash.

Are you suggesting that Firefox should remove support for EME and legacy plugins like Flash? It seems like like that will achieve little more than pissing off their users.

amq 10y ago
Firefox should at least ask users before enabling closed-source plugins, and give a simple way to enable/disable them like any other plugin. Or even better: distribute a clean browser and let users install things like Flash and EME as plugins.
- blowski 10y ago
  They do - if you don't like it, don't install it. Or even fork it. The default distribution is trying to provide the best experience for the majority of users and Flash is unfortunately necessary for that.
rye_bother 10y ago
Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) are something I've never actually seen used anywhere. Adobe Flash: why isn't it dead yet? Pocket is retarded, and it's icon is a non-sequiteur, with no clear purpose. It's a non-obvious add-on that found it's way into the default build probably due to funding. And chatting and video calls with a browser extension alway felt very Netscape Navigator to me.
- pix64 10y ago
  Netflix uses EME. Amazon Prime Video also I believe.
  - rye_bother 10y ago
    Ah, well, never part with tangible money for a virtual service. Especially one that refuses to inform you of the ingredients in their dog food. DRM is something worth the cost of ignoring and avoiding.
    - sp332 10y ago
      Netflix really does send me movies to watch though. Their selection is poor and they constantly remove content which is annoying, but that only lowers the value and doesn't set it to 0.
      - rye_bother 10y ago
        Really? I thought they totally discontinued the part of the service that lends optical discs via snail mail?
        sp332 10y ago
        Oh I meant streaming. However they spun off the disc part of the service for a very small amount of time before customer backlash pushed them to re-integrate. Netflix has been doing physical rentals for... ~8 years since then.

gbersac 10y ago

Pocket is awesome ! I discovered it few weeks ago thanks to firefox and use it constantly since !

janoc 10y ago
Pocket was even better before it was integrated into FF as little more than a button sending the user to the Pocket website/webapp. I have stopped using it at that point - it was just too much hassle.
- sp332 10y ago
  Wow, I didn't realize they just got rid of the extension. That does seem like a bad idea.

sp332 10y ago

Flash is not built-in to Firefox like it is in Chrome and Edge.

gorhill 10y ago

I sure hope they remove Pocket. I find disturbing that even after I removed Pocket as per official instruction[1] and restart the browser, I can still see it in there as per `about:memory`: 0.10 MB (00.04%) ++ firefox@getpocket.com/js-non-window/zones/zone(...)/compartment([System Principal], jar:file:///usr/lib/firefox/browser/features/firefox@getpocket.com.xpi!/bootstrap.js (from: resource://gre/modules/addons/XPIProvider.jsm:4519)) 1. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-pocket-firefox https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-pocket-firefox

bwat48 10y ago

removing the EME support would be a mistake, if people can't do something as simple as watching netflix in firefox, they won't bother using firefox. In any case, there will be an unbranded release of firefox eventually without the eme included