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in fact there's a huge amount of research on this topic. try googling it.

by metaphorm 10y ago

dominotw 10y ago
so people are meditating for 'benefits', to make more money . seems so counterintuitive. All those studies are stupid.
- metaphorm 10y ago
  if you're determined not to learn anything then you certainly won't
  - dominotw 10y ago
    I am determined to say no to bullshit. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0010068 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....
- coldtea 10y ago
  >so people are meditating for 'benefits', to make more money . seems so counterintuitive. People have been meditating for benefits (including more money and better performing at their job etc) for millennia. It's not just for spiritual/religious purposes (and if fact in some cultures those can be mixed as well without any contradiction). >All those studies are stupid. Yeah, all those scientists are useless and their universities are full of idiots, nothing like an internet comment to put them in their place. If you want to prejudicially exclude research, don't claim to speak in favor of science.
  - dominotw 10y ago
    those studies are not 'science'. Have you heard of 'replication crisis'[1]? Also see the other top post currently on HN [2].. And, Yes universities are filled with idiots, egotists and scamsters with their own nefarious motives. How do you explain the absurd 90% hypothesis validation? [3] you have your own brain to observe and meditate on, why do you need some authority to tell you what to do. >If you want to prejudicially exclude research, don't claim to speak in favor of science. People like you who blindly believe anything a supposed authority puts out there in the name of science are real curse to the gift of science. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis#Psychology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis#Psychology 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12185845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12185845 3. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0010068 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >those studies are not 'science'. Have you heard of 'replication crisis'? Just because there has been a replication crisis doesn't mean you can dismiss all scientific studies willy nilly. Those are not some Deepak Chopra style BS, they are actual clinical studies (and I've just sent a sample, there are tons). And the "replication crisis" argument doesn't really hold up if independent studies reach similar conclusions (as is the case with a lot of these). >People like you who blindly believe anything a supposed authority puts out there in the name of science are real curse to the gift of science. I don't "blindly believe anything a supposed authority puts out there". I respect multiple teams working on a field and coming up with relevant results, and having their papers peer reviewed etc. I don't use issues like the "replication crisis" to dismiss any study I don't like based on predetermined convictions. Notice also how your links are irrelevant. We are not talking about Psychology studies but medical clinical studies. So whether "Positive” Results Increase Down the Hierarchy of the Sciences" (as another paper says) is irrelevant, as we're not talking about soft sciences and humanities here.
      - dominotw 10y ago
        >We are not talking about Psychology studies but medical clinical studies. I went to the first reference from your wikipedia link https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19123875 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19123875 Conclusion: Most clinical trials on meditation practices are generally characterized by poor methodological quality with significant threats to validity in every major quality domain assessed. Despite a statistically significant improvement in the methodological quality over time, it is imperative that future trials on meditation be rigorous in design, execution, analysis, and the reporting of results. Second reference from wikipedia http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511816789&cid=CBO9780511816789A034 http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511816789... The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, Cambridge Handbooks in Psychology

in fact there's a huge amount of research on this topic. try googling it.

dominotw 10y ago

so people are meditating for 'benefits', to make more money . seems so counterintuitive. All those studies are stupid.

metaphorm 10y ago
if you're determined not to learn anything then you certainly won't
- dominotw 10y ago
  I am determined to say no to bullshit. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0010068 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....
coldtea 10y ago
>so people are meditating for 'benefits', to make more money . seems so counterintuitive. People have been meditating for benefits (including more money and better performing at their job etc) for millennia. It's not just for spiritual/religious purposes (and if fact in some cultures those can be mixed as well without any contradiction). >All those studies are stupid. Yeah, all those scientists are useless and their universities are full of idiots, nothing like an internet comment to put them in their place. If you want to prejudicially exclude research, don't claim to speak in favor of science.
- dominotw 10y ago
  those studies are not 'science'. Have you heard of 'replication crisis'[1]? Also see the other top post currently on HN [2].. And, Yes universities are filled with idiots, egotists and scamsters with their own nefarious motives. How do you explain the absurd 90% hypothesis validation? [3] you have your own brain to observe and meditate on, why do you need some authority to tell you what to do. >If you want to prejudicially exclude research, don't claim to speak in favor of science. People like you who blindly believe anything a supposed authority puts out there in the name of science are real curse to the gift of science. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis#Psychology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis#Psychology 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12185845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12185845 3. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0010068 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >those studies are not 'science'. Have you heard of 'replication crisis'? Just because there has been a replication crisis doesn't mean you can dismiss all scientific studies willy nilly. Those are not some Deepak Chopra style BS, they are actual clinical studies (and I've just sent a sample, there are tons). And the "replication crisis" argument doesn't really hold up if independent studies reach similar conclusions (as is the case with a lot of these). >People like you who blindly believe anything a supposed authority puts out there in the name of science are real curse to the gift of science. I don't "blindly believe anything a supposed authority puts out there". I respect multiple teams working on a field and coming up with relevant results, and having their papers peer reviewed etc. I don't use issues like the "replication crisis" to dismiss any study I don't like based on predetermined convictions. Notice also how your links are irrelevant. We are not talking about Psychology studies but medical clinical studies. So whether "Positive” Results Increase Down the Hierarchy of the Sciences" (as another paper says) is irrelevant, as we're not talking about soft sciences and humanities here.
    - dominotw 10y ago
      >We are not talking about Psychology studies but medical clinical studies. I went to the first reference from your wikipedia link https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19123875 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19123875 Conclusion: Most clinical trials on meditation practices are generally characterized by poor methodological quality with significant threats to validity in every major quality domain assessed. Despite a statistically significant improvement in the methodological quality over time, it is imperative that future trials on meditation be rigorous in design, execution, analysis, and the reporting of results. Second reference from wikipedia http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511816789&cid=CBO9780511816789A034 http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511816789... The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness, Cambridge Handbooks in Psychology