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For quacking, http://www.city-journal.org/html/who-fethullah-gülen-13504.html http://www.city-journal.org/html/who-fethullah-gülen-13504.h... check paragraph of

by afsina 10y ago

For quacking, http://www.city-journal.org/html/who-fethullah-gülen-13504.html http://www.city-journal.org/html/who-fethullah-gülen-13504.h... check paragraph of quotation from a Gulen's leaked speech. For walking, multiple sources confirms that for years, they stole questions for army and police college entrance exams. Of course also the statements of coup officials.

marcoperaza 10y ago
Again, given that the all previous military coups have been conducted by secularists, you're gonna need to provide specific evidence that the coup was planned by the Gulenists. The quotation you point to has nothing to do with the coup at all, it's from the 90s and describes a totally different hypothetical situation, one in which his supporters have seized control of all state institutions. That is clearly not the case. It's Erdogan's AKP that has gradually seized control of all institutions in Turkey.
- afsina 10y ago
  The events of 2013-2014 that solely aimed overthrowing Erdogan were undeniably controlled by Gulen movement. However they lost the battle big time. One or two weeks before the coup, some army officials in Izmir were detained linked with a previous army spy case and they were linked to Gulen. The supreme military council was about to be happening with the agenda of sacking multiple army officials related with him. IMO, coup was not solely planned by Gulen, but they were involved significantly. Lastly, again, check multiple coup officials' statements.
  - marcoperaza 10y ago
    The confessions of a few captives, under duress from a dictator that's purging both public and private sectors of all opposition under false pretenses and threatening to bring back executions, carry very little weight in my book. There's a long history of compelled false confessions in similar circumstances. The 2013-2014 protests consisted of just about everyone who opposed Erdogan.
    - afsina 10y ago
      Events of end of 2013 and 2014 were not about Gezi protests. This is about the corruption scandal and claims. Wikipedia link (Although probably quite biased) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_corruption_scandal_in_Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_corruption_scandal_in_Tur...
  - tim333 10y ago
    If you mean investigating the corrupt for corruption then I'd say that was closer to legitimate democracy than a coup.
    - afsina 10y ago
      it was their previous try. It probably contained legitimate claims mixed with stuff that fit their agenda. Now hopeless, they tried their last chance and failed miserably.

by afsina 10y ago

marcoperaza 10y ago

Again, given that the all previous military coups have been conducted by secularists, you're gonna need to provide specific evidence that the coup was planned by the Gulenists. The quotation you point to has nothing to do with the coup at all, it's from the 90s and describes a totally different hypothetical situation, one in which his supporters have seized control of all state institutions. That is clearly not the case. It's Erdogan's AKP that has gradually seized control of all institutions in Turkey.

afsina 10y ago
The events of 2013-2014 that solely aimed overthrowing Erdogan were undeniably controlled by Gulen movement. However they lost the battle big time. One or two weeks before the coup, some army officials in Izmir were detained linked with a previous army spy case and they were linked to Gulen. The supreme military council was about to be happening with the agenda of sacking multiple army officials related with him. IMO, coup was not solely planned by Gulen, but they were involved significantly. Lastly, again, check multiple coup officials' statements.
- marcoperaza 10y ago
  The confessions of a few captives, under duress from a dictator that's purging both public and private sectors of all opposition under false pretenses and threatening to bring back executions, carry very little weight in my book. There's a long history of compelled false confessions in similar circumstances. The 2013-2014 protests consisted of just about everyone who opposed Erdogan.
  - afsina 10y ago
    Events of end of 2013 and 2014 were not about Gezi protests. This is about the corruption scandal and claims. Wikipedia link (Although probably quite biased) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_corruption_scandal_in_Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_corruption_scandal_in_Tur...
- tim333 10y ago
  If you mean investigating the corrupt for corruption then I'd say that was closer to legitimate democracy than a coup.
  - afsina 10y ago
    it was their previous try. It probably contained legitimate claims mixed with stuff that fit their agenda. Now hopeless, they tried their last chance and failed miserably.