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Does not work with repeat visits. May not be a big issue for Lyft, but it is for frequently visited restaurants and other places.

ethanbond 10y ago
Okay well obviously that's the case. That's the bargaining chip that you have available. The expectation is that you get good service and pay for it in the amount of roughly 15-20% of your actual bill of sale. If you do not get good service, the bargaining chip available to you is to tip less and stop coming in. If you do get good service and you choose to tip less then you're the one not holding up your side of the bargain. The bargaining chip available to them is to give you worse service so you stop coming in. Tipping is not a good solution, but you honestly just sound like a cheapskate. Obviously there are repercussions for not abiding by standard transaction practice.
- eru 10y ago
  Customer service in restaurants seems pretty good in Australia, and there's universally no tipping here.
  - ethanbond 10y ago
    Which is obviously not at all relevant to the topic at hand. I don't think tipping should exist as a whole. However, it does exist in the US. Therefore, if you attempt to opt out, i.e. be a cheapskate, then expect there to be repercussions.
    - eru 10y ago
      And that's why you should frequent business who forbid tipping in the first place, so you don't have to opt out after the transaction.
      - ethanbond 10y ago
        I couldn't name a single place off the top of my head that forbids tipping.
        eru 10y ago
        See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/the-end-of-tipping-in-new-york-top-restaurant-group-bans-gratuities https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/the-end-of-t... Eg Uber removes the expectations of tipping---without outright banning it. (The removed expectation was what I was actually talking about. I was sloppy when I wrote 'forbid'.)
        ethanbond 10y ago
        Yes and they do so by deceiving their users and their drivers. Not sure why you think this is a good thing.
        eru 10y ago
        I hate tipping. I am happy to stick to a deal we agreed to up front. Uber offers that model. As long as Uber doesn't force the drivers to work for them, I don't care too much what deal they accept from Uber. Most drivers seem to work with multiple apps. Uber probably paints working as a driver in the most glorious light possible---so you can call that deception, but it's not too different from any other job, and easy enough to leave. I don't see how they are deceiving the users though? I get a ride and pay roughly what the fare estimate says. (The drivers are sure worse off than me. After all I work in tech, and they are driving cars. But my discretionary charitable budget goes towards more efficient approaches towards relieving human suffering, than helping people in first world countries.) For the record, I think Uber's management are mostly jerks. But as a service provider they undercut regular Sydney cabs by around 50% and provide better value. By comparison, in Singapore regular cabs are mostly alright, so there Uber isn't nearly as appealing for me.
- neeleshs 10y ago
  "you honestly just sound like a cheapskate". Ad-hominem? Well, well, anyways :) I never said I don't play by whatever practices each country has around tipping. I just don't like it.

ethanbond 10y ago

Okay well obviously that's the case. That's the bargaining chip that you have available. The expectation is that you get good service and pay for it in the amount of roughly 15-20% of your actual bill of sale. If you do not get good service, the bargaining chip available to you is to tip less and stop coming in. If you do get good service and you choose to tip less then you're the one not holding up your side of the bargain. The bargaining chip available to them is to give you worse service so you stop coming in. Tipping is not a good solution, but you honestly just sound like a cheapskate. Obviously there are repercussions for not abiding by standard transaction practice.

eru 10y ago
Customer service in restaurants seems pretty good in Australia, and there's universally no tipping here.
- ethanbond 10y ago
  Which is obviously not at all relevant to the topic at hand. I don't think tipping should exist as a whole. However, it does exist in the US. Therefore, if you attempt to opt out, i.e. be a cheapskate, then expect there to be repercussions.
  - eru 10y ago
    And that's why you should frequent business who forbid tipping in the first place, so you don't have to opt out after the transaction.
    - ethanbond 10y ago
      I couldn't name a single place off the top of my head that forbids tipping.
      - eru 10y ago
        See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/the-end-of-tipping-in-new-york-top-restaurant-group-bans-gratuities https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/the-end-of-t... Eg Uber removes the expectations of tipping---without outright banning it. (The removed expectation was what I was actually talking about. I was sloppy when I wrote 'forbid'.)
        ethanbond 10y ago
        Yes and they do so by deceiving their users and their drivers. Not sure why you think this is a good thing.
        eru 10y ago
        I hate tipping. I am happy to stick to a deal we agreed to up front. Uber offers that model. As long as Uber doesn't force the drivers to work for them, I don't care too much what deal they accept from Uber. Most drivers seem to work with multiple apps. Uber probably paints working as a driver in the most glorious light possible---so you can call that deception, but it's not too different from any other job, and easy enough to leave. I don't see how they are deceiving the users though? I get a ride and pay roughly what the fare estimate says. (The drivers are sure worse off than me. After all I work in tech, and they are driving cars. But my discretionary charitable budget goes towards more efficient approaches towards relieving human suffering, than helping people in first world countries.) For the record, I think Uber's management are mostly jerks. But as a service provider they undercut regular Sydney cabs by around 50% and provide better value. By comparison, in Singapore regular cabs are mostly alright, so there Uber isn't nearly as appealing for me.
neeleshs 10y ago
"you honestly just sound like a cheapskate". Ad-hominem? Well, well, anyways :) I never said I don't play by whatever practices each country has around tipping. I just don't like it.