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As opposed to saying drivers are already getting tipped despite the fact that there's no percentage of the fare that's set aside and preserved from Uber's cut i

As opposed to saying drivers are already getting tipped despite the fact that there's no percentage of the fare that's set aside and preserved from Uber's cut ie they're not being tipped?

neeleshs 10y ago
I am against tipping as a practice in general. Tipping or not tipping results in preferential treatment, subtle attitude changes, depending on the amount tipped and so on. It's more about the social discomfort I have around tipping, rather than the money itself.
- ethanbond 10y ago
  That's why you tip at the end?
  - neeleshs 10y ago
    Does not work with repeat visits. May not be a big issue for Lyft, but it is for frequently visited restaurants and other places.
    - ethanbond 10y ago
      Okay well obviously that's the case. That's the bargaining chip that you have available. The expectation is that you get good service and pay for it in the amount of roughly 15-20% of your actual bill of sale. If you do not get good service, the bargaining chip available to you is to tip less and stop coming in. If you do get good service and you choose to tip less then you're the one not holding up your side of the bargain. The bargaining chip available to them is to give you worse service so you stop coming in. Tipping is not a good solution, but you honestly just sound like a cheapskate. Obviously there are repercussions for not abiding by standard transaction practice.
      - eru 10y ago
        Customer service in restaurants seems pretty good in Australia, and there's universally no tipping here.
        ethanbond 10y ago
        Which is obviously not at all relevant to the topic at hand. I don't think tipping should exist as a whole. However, it does exist in the US. Therefore, if you attempt to opt out, i.e. be a cheapskate, then expect there to be repercussions.
        eru 10y ago
        And that's why you should frequent business who forbid tipping in the first place, so you don't have to opt out after the transaction.
        ethanbond 10y ago
        I couldn't name a single place off the top of my head that forbids tipping.
        eru 10y ago
        See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/the-end-of-tipping-in-new-york-top-restaurant-group-bans-gratuities https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/the-end-of-t... Eg Uber removes the expectations of tipping---without outright banning it. (The removed expectation was what I was actually talking about. I was sloppy when I wrote 'forbid'.)
        ethanbond 10y ago
        Yes and they do so by deceiving their users and their drivers. Not sure why you think this is a good thing.

As opposed to saying drivers are already getting tipped despite the fact that there's no percentage of the fare that's set aside and preserved from Uber's cut ie they're not being tipped?

neeleshs 10y ago

I am against tipping as a practice in general. Tipping or not tipping results in preferential treatment, subtle attitude changes, depending on the amount tipped and so on. It's more about the social discomfort I have around tipping, rather than the money itself.

ethanbond 10y ago
That's why you tip at the end?
- neeleshs 10y ago
  Does not work with repeat visits. May not be a big issue for Lyft, but it is for frequently visited restaurants and other places.
  - ethanbond 10y ago
    Okay well obviously that's the case. That's the bargaining chip that you have available. The expectation is that you get good service and pay for it in the amount of roughly 15-20% of your actual bill of sale. If you do not get good service, the bargaining chip available to you is to tip less and stop coming in. If you do get good service and you choose to tip less then you're the one not holding up your side of the bargain. The bargaining chip available to them is to give you worse service so you stop coming in. Tipping is not a good solution, but you honestly just sound like a cheapskate. Obviously there are repercussions for not abiding by standard transaction practice.
    - eru 10y ago
      Customer service in restaurants seems pretty good in Australia, and there's universally no tipping here.
      - ethanbond 10y ago
        Which is obviously not at all relevant to the topic at hand. I don't think tipping should exist as a whole. However, it does exist in the US. Therefore, if you attempt to opt out, i.e. be a cheapskate, then expect there to be repercussions.
        eru 10y ago
        And that's why you should frequent business who forbid tipping in the first place, so you don't have to opt out after the transaction.
        ethanbond 10y ago
        I couldn't name a single place off the top of my head that forbids tipping.
        eru 10y ago
        See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/the-end-of-tipping-in-new-york-top-restaurant-group-bans-gratuities https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/the-end-of-t... Eg Uber removes the expectations of tipping---without outright banning it. (The removed expectation was what I was actually talking about. I was sloppy when I wrote 'forbid'.)
        ethanbond 10y ago
        Yes and they do so by deceiving their users and their drivers. Not sure why you think this is a good thing.