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> So how come the death penalty is seriously considered an improvement in 2016? This is primarily to make it difficult to oppose Erdogan. Earlier, an oppositio

> So how come the death penalty is seriously considered an improvement in 2016? This is primarily to make it difficult to oppose Erdogan. Earlier, an opposition would mean - jail time and potential release sometime in the future. Now, an opposition would mean - you have to sacrifice your life. Basically, the government has upped the stakes against dissent.

cm3 10y ago
But Erdogan can be subject to the same penalty, especially now that they're getting rid of political immunity.
- denzil_correa 10y ago
  The difference being that Erdogan has all people who would announce such a penalty neatly tied up in his pockets.
- brian_cloutier 10y ago
  I haven't been following very closely but don't think they got rid of political immunity in general. They only removed immunity from MPs, where Erdogan is the president. I'm less sure of this but I don't believe they lifted immunity for all MPs, I think the bill listed the exact MPs they were going to target.
- varjag 10y ago
  It doesn't seem Erdogan has plans for retirement any time soon.
toyg 10y ago
My personal theory is that a death penalty applied selectively will be a sweet way to get rid of people who know too much (generals etc), while looking magnanimous for pardoning everyone else.
Zenst 10y ago
It's actions like this by Erogan that do tend to make him look like a dictator in action and indeed I ask myself if he was not an Islamic leader then would he have public support by the mass majority of Islamic people in that country and are the supporting him or their religion. As for me if you remove religion from the equation then you equally remove his support and that is very much the crux. More so when he has pushed thru more religious schools, curtailed and closed down free schools and very much done everything possible to drive things in the name of religion protectionism in many eye's. Which is and has been an issue with turkey in the past and indeed, seen the military rise up to curtail it as per the mandate they have. But this time, was very messy and over the years Erdogan has been making sure key people in the military are very much onboard with his religious party line and that in itself would explain the lacklustre mess of a coup. Previously they have had the military step in without any action and been civil, was this impossible in the current time I wonder and I'm tending to learn towards yes as I do not see any request from the military being listened too and indeed when the controlling political party is so embedded, near on impossible. After all when they label political opposition as terrorists and dissent and then somehow use this as a tool to remove political opposition and control education, is that going to end well democracy wise one seriously wonders.

cm3 10y ago

But Erdogan can be subject to the same penalty, especially now that they're getting rid of political immunity.

denzil_correa 10y ago
The difference being that Erdogan has all people who would announce such a penalty neatly tied up in his pockets.
brian_cloutier 10y ago
I haven't been following very closely but don't think they got rid of political immunity in general. They only removed immunity from MPs, where Erdogan is the president. I'm less sure of this but I don't believe they lifted immunity for all MPs, I think the bill listed the exact MPs they were going to target.
varjag 10y ago
It doesn't seem Erdogan has plans for retirement any time soon.

toyg 10y ago

My personal theory is that a death penalty applied selectively will be a sweet way to get rid of people who know too much (generals etc), while looking magnanimous for pardoning everyone else.

Zenst 10y ago

It's actions like this by Erogan that do tend to make him look like a dictator in action and indeed I ask myself if he was not an Islamic leader then would he have public support by the mass majority of Islamic people in that country and are the supporting him or their religion. As for me if you remove religion from the equation then you equally remove his support and that is very much the crux. More so when he has pushed thru more religious schools, curtailed and closed down free schools and very much done everything possible to drive things in the name of religion protectionism in many eye's. Which is and has been an issue with turkey in the past and indeed, seen the military rise up to curtail it as per the mandate they have. But this time, was very messy and over the years Erdogan has been making sure key people in the military are very much onboard with his religious party line and that in itself would explain the lacklustre mess of a coup. Previously they have had the military step in without any action and been civil, was this impossible in the current time I wonder and I'm tending to learn towards yes as I do not see any request from the military being listened too and indeed when the controlling political party is so embedded, near on impossible. After all when they label political opposition as terrorists and dissent and then somehow use this as a tool to remove political opposition and control education, is that going to end well democracy wise one seriously wonders.