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I'm not sure how much you know about Gulen movement. It is an identical copy of Opus Dei. They have been building their secret network since 1970s. Gulenist peo

by m00dy 10y ago

I'm not sure how much you know about Gulen movement. It is an identical copy of Opus Dei. They have been building their secret network since 1970s. Gulenist people have all critical positions in Turkey. 50% of high-ranked officers in military accused of being part of this group and now arrested. Even though I'm not a supporter of Erdogan, this coup thing is very serious and unfortunately I have to stand with Erdogan. Because it is about our national security. Gulenist people have schools not only in Turkey but also all around the world. Russia passed a law to close all the schools related to Gulenist Movement. Guess what? Because these schools are gateway for CIA. Turkey and USA have contradictory strategies across the middle east. Fethullah Gulen is the leader of Gulenist Movement and now lives in USA. He born in Turkey and he is primary school graduate in this context. There is no way for him to get a green card in US. Anyway, He is supported by invisible government in US or by someone or some groups. How's that possible a turkish guy who has primary school diploma can build schools all over the world and gain thousands of supporters ? I have never seen this entrepreneurship spirit in TR. As we are turkish people, we want him to be extradited to Turkey. He will come and defend himself in the court.

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kyledrake 10y ago
Can you try to cite some actual evidence here instead of parroting what basically sounds like an insane conspiracy theory? None of this justifies persecuting academics for conducting science and/or having not great opinions of their government. None of this is an excuse to throw away rule of law, and none of it justifies treating humans without basic dignities https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-authorities-set-up-traitors-cemetery-a7160891.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiG2Ivx85jOAhXE5IMKHYWwC6EQqQIIDjAA&usg=AFQjCNEb8Iqv_OWfDWa8MSIKNwXFEMIvQQ https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.independent.co.uk/ne...
- selimthegrim 10y ago
  The Gulen charter schools have been up to all sorts of no good in the US, see http://www.nola.com/education/baton-rouge/index.ssf/2013/12/kenilworth_charter_school_subj.html http://www.nola.com/education/baton-rouge/index.ssf/2013/12/... If you really want to understand the mentality of people that would lead them to submit to an organization like that, I suggest reading "Black Book" by Orhan Pamuk. (As an aside, we met 2-3 years back in Portland a few times at some of those New Relic meet ups, I hope neocities is still doing well!)
  - kyledrake 10y ago
    I'm certainly not ruling out that this could all be true. What I'd love to see is a compilation of evidence. There's a great site on Neocities that's been doing this with Scientology since our foundation and is regularly updated https://scientology.neocities.org https://scientology.neocities.org (Neocities is going strong, thank you!)
    - centicosm 10y ago
      Posted this earlier in another thread, but this is an interesting, well-referenced, and us-based analysis supporting his claims: http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gulens-grand-ambition http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gulens-grand-ambition
- nepotism2016 10y ago
  Does far fetched, however most of Turkish people believe this. If the media is controlled by the government, conspiracies is what you believe in
  - m00dy 10y ago
    This coup thing is very well organized and trust me. I'm secular and not following mainstream media. Mainstream media didn't say anything about US or who's behind this. But I'm telling you the truth, these people or gulenist people whatever you call are supported by some organization or people residing in North America.
    - yxhuvud 10y ago
      Eh, all things considered, the coup seems very badly organized in retrospect. Not nearly enough support from the army and therefore doomed to fail.
      - gorkemyurt 10y ago
        “Battles have been won against greater odds” John Snow. Jokes aside, most of these generals were already getting arrested or getting kicked out of the military in the following weeks, they just decided to actually do the crime they are getting arrested for
    - m00dy 10y ago
      I can only see a timing problem.

by m00dy 10y ago

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kyledrake 10y ago

Can you try to cite some actual evidence here instead of parroting what basically sounds like an insane conspiracy theory? None of this justifies persecuting academics for conducting science and/or having not great opinions of their government. None of this is an excuse to throw away rule of law, and none of it justifies treating humans without basic dignities https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-authorities-set-up-traitors-cemetery-a7160891.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiG2Ivx85jOAhXE5IMKHYWwC6EQqQIIDjAA&usg=AFQjCNEb8Iqv_OWfDWa8MSIKNwXFEMIvQQ https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.independent.co.uk/ne...

selimthegrim 10y ago
The Gulen charter schools have been up to all sorts of no good in the US, see http://www.nola.com/education/baton-rouge/index.ssf/2013/12/kenilworth_charter_school_subj.html http://www.nola.com/education/baton-rouge/index.ssf/2013/12/... If you really want to understand the mentality of people that would lead them to submit to an organization like that, I suggest reading "Black Book" by Orhan Pamuk. (As an aside, we met 2-3 years back in Portland a few times at some of those New Relic meet ups, I hope neocities is still doing well!)
- kyledrake 10y ago
  I'm certainly not ruling out that this could all be true. What I'd love to see is a compilation of evidence. There's a great site on Neocities that's been doing this with Scientology since our foundation and is regularly updated https://scientology.neocities.org https://scientology.neocities.org (Neocities is going strong, thank you!)
  - centicosm 10y ago
    Posted this earlier in another thread, but this is an interesting, well-referenced, and us-based analysis supporting his claims: http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gulens-grand-ambition http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gulens-grand-ambition
nepotism2016 10y ago
Does far fetched, however most of Turkish people believe this. If the media is controlled by the government, conspiracies is what you believe in
- m00dy 10y ago
  This coup thing is very well organized and trust me. I'm secular and not following mainstream media. Mainstream media didn't say anything about US or who's behind this. But I'm telling you the truth, these people or gulenist people whatever you call are supported by some organization or people residing in North America.
  - yxhuvud 10y ago
    Eh, all things considered, the coup seems very badly organized in retrospect. Not nearly enough support from the army and therefore doomed to fail.
    - gorkemyurt 10y ago
      “Battles have been won against greater odds” John Snow. Jokes aside, most of these generals were already getting arrested or getting kicked out of the military in the following weeks, they just decided to actually do the crime they are getting arrested for
  - m00dy 10y ago
    I can only see a timing problem.