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Given that my understanding is WhatsApp/Facebook are quite literally unable to comply because the content doesn't exist (yay, E2E encryption!), this is also an

by envy2 10y ago

Given that my understanding is WhatsApp/Facebook are quite literally unable to comply because the content doesn't exist (yay, E2E encryption!), this is also an absurd, disproportionate response. But, unlike the usual response of blocking WhatsApp for hundreds of millions of entirely innocent people, this at least keeps this silly little war between the lawyers, where it belongs. If nothing else, a step in the right direction.

utopcell 10y ago
this war will move to the users if Facebook decides to pull out of the country altogether. This is a very interesting case to follow: If Brazil 'wins', this might be the first case where a government says "I don't like E2E encryption on your app, get off my country", and a company complies. On the other hand, imagine if Facebook proper, pulls out of Brazil and that causes their government to fall. :-)
- goshx 10y ago
  Facebook pulling out of Brazil? And opening up for other businesses to capture the millions of users? Yeah, I don't think so, but it definitely is a fight that I want to watch closely. And regarding the government to fall... the floor is pretty close already.
- PhasmaFelis 10y ago
  It would be pretty great, but it won't happen. Look at all the major tech companies happily collaborating with China's government censorship. They'll talk big about moral obligations and our children's futures and etc. when their interests happen to line up with those things, but access to lucrative markets will always, always trump.
- meira 10y ago
  > On the other hand, imagine if Facebook proper, pulls out of Brazil and that causes their government to fall. :-) Facebook already deposed one government here in Brazil. ;) That's why current gov probably will go full power against it anytime soon, if it isn't already started. I don't like Michel Temer (coupist president), but I dislike FB a lot more, so the better would be for them to destroy themselves and leave Brazil to Brazilians :)
  - rsrsrs86 10y ago
    > Facebook already deposed one government here in Brazil. ;) That is a gross overstatement. Brazilian here.
    - mc32 10y ago
      It also wasn't a coup. The former is/was impeached for shenanigans involving the state petro co./graft and misstating economic numbers and many other irregularities.
      - elros 10y ago
        Firstly, out with Temer! It was most definitely a coup. The people prosecuting her couldn't care less about the alleged violations, that's just a nifty way they managed to get into power. The people in charge now manage to be even dirtier.
        meira 10y ago
        I guess you guys proves that FB/whatsapp/Google/YouTube brainwashed most of Brazillians. After the coup, peace is reigning in Brazil (thanks to the media that stopped with the terror and the American tech companies, mainly FB, stopped their terror echo Chamber).
        tommorris 10y ago
        Just social media and not Globo TV etc.?
        meira 10y ago
        That TV Globo and other media families wanted Dilma and PT ousted of power was nothing new. Social media support, beginning with the "jornada de junho de 2013" was what really triggered the parlamentary coup.
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x0x0 10y ago
While I share your sympathy for people being able to communicate, on the other hand, I can't possibly see a good future if multinational corporations are allowed to pick and choose which laws they have to comport with.

by envy2 10y ago

utopcell 10y ago

this war will move to the users if Facebook decides to pull out of the country altogether. This is a very interesting case to follow: If Brazil 'wins', this might be the first case where a government says "I don't like E2E encryption on your app, get off my country", and a company complies. On the other hand, imagine if Facebook proper, pulls out of Brazil and that causes their government to fall. :-)

goshx 10y ago
Facebook pulling out of Brazil? And opening up for other businesses to capture the millions of users? Yeah, I don't think so, but it definitely is a fight that I want to watch closely. And regarding the government to fall... the floor is pretty close already.
PhasmaFelis 10y ago
It would be pretty great, but it won't happen. Look at all the major tech companies happily collaborating with China's government censorship. They'll talk big about moral obligations and our children's futures and etc. when their interests happen to line up with those things, but access to lucrative markets will always, always trump.
meira 10y ago
> On the other hand, imagine if Facebook proper, pulls out of Brazil and that causes their government to fall. :-) Facebook already deposed one government here in Brazil. ;) That's why current gov probably will go full power against it anytime soon, if it isn't already started. I don't like Michel Temer (coupist president), but I dislike FB a lot more, so the better would be for them to destroy themselves and leave Brazil to Brazilians :)
- rsrsrs86 10y ago
  > Facebook already deposed one government here in Brazil. ;) That is a gross overstatement. Brazilian here.
  - mc32 10y ago
    It also wasn't a coup. The former is/was impeached for shenanigans involving the state petro co./graft and misstating economic numbers and many other irregularities.
    - elros 10y ago
      Firstly, out with Temer! It was most definitely a coup. The people prosecuting her couldn't care less about the alleged violations, that's just a nifty way they managed to get into power. The people in charge now manage to be even dirtier.
      - meira 10y ago
        I guess you guys proves that FB/whatsapp/Google/YouTube brainwashed most of Brazillians. After the coup, peace is reigning in Brazil (thanks to the media that stopped with the terror and the American tech companies, mainly FB, stopped their terror echo Chamber).
        tommorris 10y ago
        Just social media and not Globo TV etc.?
        meira 10y ago
        That TV Globo and other media families wanted Dilma and PT ousted of power was nothing new. Social media support, beginning with the "jornada de junho de 2013" was what really triggered the parlamentary coup.

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x0x0 10y ago

While I share your sympathy for people being able to communicate, on the other hand, I can't possibly see a good future if multinational corporations are allowed to pick and choose which laws they have to comport with.