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Street parking is just a terrible experience all around. I'd prefer to see most street parking eliminated in favor of dedicated rights-of-way for bikes, buses,

Street parking is just a terrible experience all around. I'd prefer to see most street parking eliminated in favor of dedicated rights-of-way for bikes, buses, taxis, rideshare, etc. If you want to have a car, you have to live somewhere that has an alley/garage space for you. If you want your business to be usable by drivers, have a parking lot or do a parking validation deal with a nearby garage. I think the SpotHero/ParkWhiz model is very cool, would love to see it turn into a real-time auction with very precise competitive demand-based pricing. "Parking is surging right now, consider taking UberPool for $x less." I already don't drive anywhere in Chicago unless I know there's an adequately sized parking lot, or I've booked reasonably priced parking ahead of time. Seeing ahead of time that there is no reasonably priced parking generally makes me take the CTA, whereas otherwise I might have circled for a while before breaking down and paying $25.

finid 10y ago
> If you want to have a car, you have to live somewhere that has an alley/garage space for you. You're obviously not referring to NYC.
- Symbiote 10y ago
  Why not? That's the case in the centres of many European cities.
  - finid 10y ago
    NYC is different. Most parking is street parking, or a paid garage parking, which can be expensive.
    - Symbiote 10y ago
      > Most parking is street parking That's a decision the city has made, and the current state of much street-space in NYC. Copenhagen has made the opposite decision: space in the city centre is allocated to bicycle lanes and footpaths on many streets. I live on such a street. If I bought a car, I'd need to rent a parking space. London has an intermediate approach: resident parking on the street requires an expensive permit.
PhasmaFelis 10y ago
> If you want to have a car, you have to live somewhere that has an alley/garage space for you. If you want your business to be usable by drivers, have a parking lot or do a parking validation deal with a nearby garage. I've wondered what would happen if a city was built with a mandate that there must be a parking garage on every block, or every X blocks. You could even make them a public utility, an extension of the public road network.
- true_religion 10y ago
  They do have mandates like that. In the D.C. area, every new multi-story apartment building must have at 1.5 car spaces for every apartment apartment larger than a small studio.
  - PhasmaFelis 10y ago
    So what's the parking like in DC? In any case, that doesn't quite cover what I was thinking of. I'm curious what would happen if there was a major city with enough parking for everyone to find a space within a block of their destination, whether that's home, work, shopping, or whatever.
ars 10y ago
> I'd prefer to see most street parking eliminated in favor of dedicated rights-of-way for bikes, buses, taxis, rideshare, etc. These things only work for some of the residents (predominately younger residents without families). > I already don't drive anywhere in Chicago unless I know there's an adequately sized parking lot, or I've booked reasonably priced parking ahead of time. And those parts of Chicago suffer economically for it. Much more than what free parking would cost the city. It's not by accident that you can chart the growth of civilization by the roads.
- superuser2 10y ago
  Making street spaces free would actually make the problem worse: the price is already well below what I'm willing to pay, the problem is that I'm unlikely to find a street space at any price (below the cost of a ticket) near a given destination. To provide free parking in popular destinations such that it never completely fills up, the city would have to buy property (shutting down or relocating the businesses already on it) and build parking structures on it.
- staybailey 10y ago
  > These things only work for some of the residents (predominately younger residents without families). Leaving aside the fact that seeing families on buses is not remotely uncommon, the same statement could be said of automobile modes. Those who can't legally drive (which probably constitutes a quarter of the US population) along with those too poor to afford automobiles are at least partially excluded from the benefits of automobile infrastructure. Given current technology, a transportation system for everyone needs to facilitate the use of a variety of modes, even if no particular mode serves everyone. > And those parts of Chicago suffer economically for it. Do you have any data for that? Most of the literature suggests that the provision of free parking reduces economic prosperity. The simple theoretical explanation is that parking should be provided at cost, just like most goods and services. But there is also empirical evidence to back this up. For instance when Old Pasadena raised street parking rates in the early nineties to deal with a dearth of parking in their commercial district: "The cities sales tax revenue tripled within the first year."* That's one anecdote, but consider googling Donald Shoup for more literature and data. There are two additional theoretical benefits to using pricing to adequately supply parking. First, it favors persons who value their time relatively more than their money, which are exactly the kind of people who tend to buy stuff in stores. And two, increased parking rates can increase turnover, which in turn increases total sales. For more info on the importance of turnover, check out this SNL sketch: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-olympia-restaurant/n8658 http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-olympia-res... *Speck, J. (2012). Walkable city: How downtown can save America, one step at a time. New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux. (see page 134 for the quote on Google books).

finid 10y ago

> If you want to have a car, you have to live somewhere that has an alley/garage space for you. You're obviously not referring to NYC.

Symbiote 10y ago
Why not? That's the case in the centres of many European cities.
- finid 10y ago
  NYC is different. Most parking is street parking, or a paid garage parking, which can be expensive.
  - Symbiote 10y ago
    > Most parking is street parking That's a decision the city has made, and the current state of much street-space in NYC. Copenhagen has made the opposite decision: space in the city centre is allocated to bicycle lanes and footpaths on many streets. I live on such a street. If I bought a car, I'd need to rent a parking space. London has an intermediate approach: resident parking on the street requires an expensive permit.

PhasmaFelis 10y ago

> If you want to have a car, you have to live somewhere that has an alley/garage space for you. If you want your business to be usable by drivers, have a parking lot or do a parking validation deal with a nearby garage. I've wondered what would happen if a city was built with a mandate that there must be a parking garage on every block, or every X blocks. You could even make them a public utility, an extension of the public road network.

true_religion 10y ago
They do have mandates like that. In the D.C. area, every new multi-story apartment building must have at 1.5 car spaces for every apartment apartment larger than a small studio.
- PhasmaFelis 10y ago
  So what's the parking like in DC? In any case, that doesn't quite cover what I was thinking of. I'm curious what would happen if there was a major city with enough parking for everyone to find a space within a block of their destination, whether that's home, work, shopping, or whatever.

ars 10y ago

> I'd prefer to see most street parking eliminated in favor of dedicated rights-of-way for bikes, buses, taxis, rideshare, etc. These things only work for some of the residents (predominately younger residents without families). > I already don't drive anywhere in Chicago unless I know there's an adequately sized parking lot, or I've booked reasonably priced parking ahead of time. And those parts of Chicago suffer economically for it. Much more than what free parking would cost the city. It's not by accident that you can chart the growth of civilization by the roads.

superuser2 10y ago
Making street spaces free would actually make the problem worse: the price is already well below what I'm willing to pay, the problem is that I'm unlikely to find a street space at any price (below the cost of a ticket) near a given destination. To provide free parking in popular destinations such that it never completely fills up, the city would have to buy property (shutting down or relocating the businesses already on it) and build parking structures on it.
staybailey 10y ago
> These things only work for some of the residents (predominately younger residents without families). Leaving aside the fact that seeing families on buses is not remotely uncommon, the same statement could be said of automobile modes. Those who can't legally drive (which probably constitutes a quarter of the US population) along with those too poor to afford automobiles are at least partially excluded from the benefits of automobile infrastructure. Given current technology, a transportation system for everyone needs to facilitate the use of a variety of modes, even if no particular mode serves everyone. > And those parts of Chicago suffer economically for it. Do you have any data for that? Most of the literature suggests that the provision of free parking reduces economic prosperity. The simple theoretical explanation is that parking should be provided at cost, just like most goods and services. But there is also empirical evidence to back this up. For instance when Old Pasadena raised street parking rates in the early nineties to deal with a dearth of parking in their commercial district: "The cities sales tax revenue tripled within the first year."* That's one anecdote, but consider googling Donald Shoup for more literature and data. There are two additional theoretical benefits to using pricing to adequately supply parking. First, it favors persons who value their time relatively more than their money, which are exactly the kind of people who tend to buy stuff in stores. And two, increased parking rates can increase turnover, which in turn increases total sales. For more info on the importance of turnover, check out this SNL sketch: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-olympia-restaurant/n8658 http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-olympia-res... *Speck, J. (2012). Walkable city: How downtown can save America, one step at a time. New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux. (see page 134 for the quote on Google books).