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In an ideal world this article would not be posted on Facebook.

by sintaxi 10y ago

asimilator 10y ago
> To see more from John Carmack on Facebook, log in or create an account. Yes, it'd be nice if this didn't take up half the page.
Alupis 10y ago
> In an ideal world this article would not be posted on Facebook. I'm certain we can expect a lot more of this as Facebook cozies up closer and closer to Oculus and gang.
- bertil 10y ago
  > as Facebook cozies up closer and closer to Oculus and gang. My understanding is that Facebook has “geared up” Oculus: added a lot of staff. I would assume that a majority of engineers who are working on VR were originally Facebook hires; it’s certainly the case for things like back-end / scaling. It’s not the most visible part of the company, but when Mark says publicly that a project is a priority, that means that the team can have a lot of engineers if they need to.
  - drcross 10y ago
    Oculus job specs are published on the facebook website.
  - Alupis 10y ago
    I was referencing blog posts that ought to be on a blog, not in a Facebook post. Just because someone has worked for Facebook, or currently works for Facebook, doesn't make posting these sorts of articles on Facebook ideal. Even Facebook knows this... which presumably is why they chose to use a traditional blog style site for their... blog posts[1]. [1] https://developers.facebook.com/blog/ https://developers.facebook.com/blog/
    - Jaruzel 10y ago
      Like it or not, when someone is a public figure, their posts on Facebook get LOTS of views. A larger percentage of internet users ONLY read Facebook these days. Carmack's profile has almost 10,000 followers and several hundred 'friends' each of which will have been pinged about the new post immediately. Even a popular blog won't be able to do that, that instantly. So you can see the attraction. Also, on Facebook there is the concept of 'Notes' which are better for long form writing and display in their own large overlay div. Not sure why Carmack didn't use it. I am not a fan of Facebook, but from a technical point of view the platform does have its merits.
nabla9 10y ago
finger johnc@oculus.com finger: connect: Connection timed out damn.
- abbeyj 10y ago
  The finger daemon for idsoftware.com isn't running anymore either. But you can browse the archived .plan files here: https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/finger.pl?id=1 https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/finger.pl?id=1 .
bertil 10y ago
That article is shared to 'Public': it should be visible to non-logged-in users. Not sure what changed — could be an issue with excessive crawlers… I’ve very convinced that Facebook is very comfortable to let the minority who are not comfortable having an account read a public post -- especially when it’s about engineering. Those are usually on the company blog (without log-in block); Carmack probably was just using internal tool, and didn’t want to bother. It’s probably less high on the priority list than “give affordable internet access to 1 billion people”, but in an ideal world, posts that are meant for “everyone” should not be gated.
- swang 10y ago
  i can read it logged out of facebook unfortunately there is an annoying box covering up 1/3 of the page asking you to login or signup. it does not "block" any content in that you can still read all of it. but it is highly annoying (and i assume purposely so).
  - cowsandmilk 10y ago
    The main question is why Carmack doesn't use the Facebook Engineering Blog. There are no popups or other annoyances there. For example: https://code.facebook.com/posts/265413023819735/surround-360-is-now-open-source/ https://code.facebook.com/posts/265413023819735/surround-360...
    - bertil 10y ago
      Facebook employees generally communicate internal results or opinion with Facebook posts, a lot like this, using a Company-only privacy setting. Posts like this one sound like something he posted internally first, and just reposted, or changed the privacy setting. I wouldn’t read any more into it than marginal laziness.
- intoverflow2 10y ago
  >Not sure what changed Metrics driven design and development. 1) team gets told it has to increase sign ups 2) Product already too popular to go anywhere meaningful with it's content/features 3) Only hope left is to make the experience worse for non-users in the hope to irritate them into being users. > It’s probably less high on the priority list than “give affordable internet access to 1 billion people”, Both this awful login form and the cynical project to get the 3rd world online via Facebook are part of the same goal.
a13n 10y ago
Why not?

In an ideal world this article would not be posted on Facebook.

by sintaxi 10y ago

In an ideal world this article would not be posted on Facebook.

> To see more from John Carmack on Facebook, log in or create an account. Yes, it'd be nice if this didn't take up half the page.

Alupis 10y ago

> In an ideal world this article would not be posted on Facebook. I'm certain we can expect a lot more of this as Facebook cozies up closer and closer to Oculus and gang.

bertil 10y ago
> as Facebook cozies up closer and closer to Oculus and gang. My understanding is that Facebook has “geared up” Oculus: added a lot of staff. I would assume that a majority of engineers who are working on VR were originally Facebook hires; it’s certainly the case for things like back-end / scaling. It’s not the most visible part of the company, but when Mark says publicly that a project is a priority, that means that the team can have a lot of engineers if they need to.
- drcross 10y ago
  Oculus job specs are published on the facebook website.
- Alupis 10y ago
  I was referencing blog posts that ought to be on a blog, not in a Facebook post. Just because someone has worked for Facebook, or currently works for Facebook, doesn't make posting these sorts of articles on Facebook ideal. Even Facebook knows this... which presumably is why they chose to use a traditional blog style site for their... blog posts[1]. [1] https://developers.facebook.com/blog/ https://developers.facebook.com/blog/
  - Jaruzel 10y ago
    Like it or not, when someone is a public figure, their posts on Facebook get LOTS of views. A larger percentage of internet users ONLY read Facebook these days. Carmack's profile has almost 10,000 followers and several hundred 'friends' each of which will have been pinged about the new post immediately. Even a popular blog won't be able to do that, that instantly. So you can see the attraction. Also, on Facebook there is the concept of 'Notes' which are better for long form writing and display in their own large overlay div. Not sure why Carmack didn't use it. I am not a fan of Facebook, but from a technical point of view the platform does have its merits.

nabla9 10y ago

finger johnc@oculus.com finger: connect: Connection timed out damn.

abbeyj 10y ago
The finger daemon for idsoftware.com isn't running anymore either. But you can browse the archived .plan files here: https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/finger.pl?id=1 https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/finger.pl?id=1 .

bertil 10y ago

That article is shared to 'Public': it should be visible to non-logged-in users. Not sure what changed — could be an issue with excessive crawlers… I’ve very convinced that Facebook is very comfortable to let the minority who are not comfortable having an account read a public post -- especially when it’s about engineering. Those are usually on the company blog (without log-in block); Carmack probably was just using internal tool, and didn’t want to bother. It’s probably less high on the priority list than “give affordable internet access to 1 billion people”, but in an ideal world, posts that are meant for “everyone” should not be gated.

swang 10y ago
i can read it logged out of facebook unfortunately there is an annoying box covering up 1/3 of the page asking you to login or signup. it does not "block" any content in that you can still read all of it. but it is highly annoying (and i assume purposely so).
- cowsandmilk 10y ago
  The main question is why Carmack doesn't use the Facebook Engineering Blog. There are no popups or other annoyances there. For example: https://code.facebook.com/posts/265413023819735/surround-360-is-now-open-source/ https://code.facebook.com/posts/265413023819735/surround-360...
  - bertil 10y ago
    Facebook employees generally communicate internal results or opinion with Facebook posts, a lot like this, using a Company-only privacy setting. Posts like this one sound like something he posted internally first, and just reposted, or changed the privacy setting. I wouldn’t read any more into it than marginal laziness.
intoverflow2 10y ago
>Not sure what changed Metrics driven design and development. 1) team gets told it has to increase sign ups 2) Product already too popular to go anywhere meaningful with it's content/features 3) Only hope left is to make the experience worse for non-users in the hope to irritate them into being users. > It’s probably less high on the priority list than “give affordable internet access to 1 billion people”, Both this awful login form and the cynical project to get the 3rd world online via Facebook are part of the same goal.

a13n 10y ago

Why not?