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Curious as to why you say that. Do you mean in comparison to other cloud infrastructure providers or in comparison or rolling your own infrastructure?

tedunangst 10y ago
Comparison: EC2 charges 9 cents per GB, linode charges 2 cents and starts with a much larger (2TB vs 1GB) free quota. Rackspace charges 12 cents, Azure about 9 cents too.
- btilly 10y ago
  Those figures suggest that linode seriously oversubscribes their service and expects people not to really use it. EC2 and Azure are in the right cost range. And Rackspace's customer service is expensive.
  - NKCSS 10y ago
    At the exchange levels, you don't pay for traffic... you pay a subscription membership for the IX and you pay for your hardware; you might have some contracts for peering and transit that could cost money, but no where is it done based on data flowing through the network... It's all just to extract money based on usage with the rationale that people who use more can pay more, but it's not like they get a higher bill when they have more traffic, therefore, you can't say that a provider is selling their BW to cheap; maybe they already paid for all their fixed costs via their compute pricing....
  - mythz 10y ago
    Pure B.S. Cloud providers over charge for bandwidth because they can, they treat it like a luxury cost like RAM where if you need more bandwidth you can usually afford to pay for it. It's not the "right" cost, it's the price AWS set which Azure copied. Bandwidth is dirt cheap outside of the Cloud, e.g. I'm getting 30 TB of bandwidth as part of my 64GB RAM / 500GB SSD / Quad-Core i7 Skylake for €39 /mo (https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex41sssd https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex41ss...). Which roughly equates to €0.0009 /GB that also includes the cost of hosting entire server with resources that would cost an order of magnitude more on AWS/Azure.
    - jonknee 10y ago
      > I'm getting 30 TB of bandwidth as part of my 64GB RAM / 500GB SSD / Quad-Core i7 Skylake for €39 /mo Yes, you're getting cheap pricing from an oversubscribed line.
      - mythz 10y ago
        Or not, just ran a speed test: getting 160% more bandwidth on Hetzner than my EC2 instance.
        notyourwork 10y ago
        One data point is clearly indicative enough to be conclusive.
        mythz 10y ago
        or +1 data point more than all other baseless responses, but apparently still not enough effort to refute BS lawn-chair factoids.
        ej_campbell 10y ago
        Oversubscribed means there's a chance you won't receive the rated speed. Just because tonight's results were good, doesn't guarantee you'll always achieve that.
    - pavs 10y ago
      > Bandwidth is dirt cheap outside of the Cloud Enterprise level network equipment and infrastructure are extremely expensive. Unusually cheap BW rate usually means cheap equipment or over-subscription or not enough qualified support personnel. And in some cases under-selling to get penetration to a market. The reason Google Fiber can sell cheaply because (AFAIK), in almost every town or cities that they deployed their network they negotiated special deals with municipalities or equivalent entity to get free access to existing infrastructure or get special deals. There is a reason why Google Fibre is not everywhere or they are not pushing it very aggressively. Because building networks are freaking expensive even for google. BW may not have any value but building the network and maintaining it to serve you BW is expensive. Your BW cost is a reflection of the cost of your network. Disclaimer: I own an ISP.
  - sgk284 10y ago
    Nope, they all just overcharge like crazy. Bandwidth from any traditional data center will cost you (at most) $0.0015 per GB. That's about 60x cheaper than what AWS costs. AWS only kind of makes sense until your bill starts approaching that of a full time engineer's salary. Then you can slash costs like crazy by rolling your own infrastructure (at higher risk of downtime). Or pull a Netflix and negotiate wholesale prices.
    - tedunangst 10y ago
      Is that really true? In my experience, "real" data centers always charge by bandwidth, not traffic. You can get 10mbps, or 100, or 1000, but it makes no difference how much data you push. (95th percentile is also common, if you don't commit to a full link.) I've always thought of data quotas as a "consumer" level service. After all, the wires that make up data links don't care about the amount of traffic.
      - sgk284 10y ago
        Yep, that's technically more accurate. I should have added the qualifier that, "for those centers that do charge by traffic this is roughly what they'll charge".
  - mattbillenstein 10y ago
    I think the other clouds are actually rather undersubscribed since most people run their stuff on AWS. At least you can leverage Digital Ocean, Linode, etc to run varnish caches to offload bandwidth for things like static assets while keeping your main workloads on AWS. You can build this sorta thing in a couple days I'd say.
  - ryanlol 10y ago
    Those figures suggest that linode seriously overcharges for bandwidth.

tedunangst 10y ago

Comparison: EC2 charges 9 cents per GB, linode charges 2 cents and starts with a much larger (2TB vs 1GB) free quota. Rackspace charges 12 cents, Azure about 9 cents too.

btilly 10y ago
Those figures suggest that linode seriously oversubscribes their service and expects people not to really use it. EC2 and Azure are in the right cost range. And Rackspace's customer service is expensive.
- NKCSS 10y ago
  At the exchange levels, you don't pay for traffic... you pay a subscription membership for the IX and you pay for your hardware; you might have some contracts for peering and transit that could cost money, but no where is it done based on data flowing through the network... It's all just to extract money based on usage with the rationale that people who use more can pay more, but it's not like they get a higher bill when they have more traffic, therefore, you can't say that a provider is selling their BW to cheap; maybe they already paid for all their fixed costs via their compute pricing....
- mythz 10y ago
  Pure B.S. Cloud providers over charge for bandwidth because they can, they treat it like a luxury cost like RAM where if you need more bandwidth you can usually afford to pay for it. It's not the "right" cost, it's the price AWS set which Azure copied. Bandwidth is dirt cheap outside of the Cloud, e.g. I'm getting 30 TB of bandwidth as part of my 64GB RAM / 500GB SSD / Quad-Core i7 Skylake for €39 /mo (https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex41sssd https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex41ss...). Which roughly equates to €0.0009 /GB that also includes the cost of hosting entire server with resources that would cost an order of magnitude more on AWS/Azure.
  - jonknee 10y ago
    > I'm getting 30 TB of bandwidth as part of my 64GB RAM / 500GB SSD / Quad-Core i7 Skylake for €39 /mo Yes, you're getting cheap pricing from an oversubscribed line.
    - mythz 10y ago
      Or not, just ran a speed test: getting 160% more bandwidth on Hetzner than my EC2 instance.
      - notyourwork 10y ago
        One data point is clearly indicative enough to be conclusive.
        mythz 10y ago
        or +1 data point more than all other baseless responses, but apparently still not enough effort to refute BS lawn-chair factoids.
      - ej_campbell 10y ago
        Oversubscribed means there's a chance you won't receive the rated speed. Just because tonight's results were good, doesn't guarantee you'll always achieve that.
  - pavs 10y ago
    > Bandwidth is dirt cheap outside of the Cloud Enterprise level network equipment and infrastructure are extremely expensive. Unusually cheap BW rate usually means cheap equipment or over-subscription or not enough qualified support personnel. And in some cases under-selling to get penetration to a market. The reason Google Fiber can sell cheaply because (AFAIK), in almost every town or cities that they deployed their network they negotiated special deals with municipalities or equivalent entity to get free access to existing infrastructure or get special deals. There is a reason why Google Fibre is not everywhere or they are not pushing it very aggressively. Because building networks are freaking expensive even for google. BW may not have any value but building the network and maintaining it to serve you BW is expensive. Your BW cost is a reflection of the cost of your network. Disclaimer: I own an ISP.
- sgk284 10y ago
  Nope, they all just overcharge like crazy. Bandwidth from any traditional data center will cost you (at most) $0.0015 per GB. That's about 60x cheaper than what AWS costs. AWS only kind of makes sense until your bill starts approaching that of a full time engineer's salary. Then you can slash costs like crazy by rolling your own infrastructure (at higher risk of downtime). Or pull a Netflix and negotiate wholesale prices.
  - tedunangst 10y ago
    Is that really true? In my experience, "real" data centers always charge by bandwidth, not traffic. You can get 10mbps, or 100, or 1000, but it makes no difference how much data you push. (95th percentile is also common, if you don't commit to a full link.) I've always thought of data quotas as a "consumer" level service. After all, the wires that make up data links don't care about the amount of traffic.
    - sgk284 10y ago
      Yep, that's technically more accurate. I should have added the qualifier that, "for those centers that do charge by traffic this is roughly what they'll charge".
- mattbillenstein 10y ago
  I think the other clouds are actually rather undersubscribed since most people run their stuff on AWS. At least you can leverage Digital Ocean, Linode, etc to run varnish caches to offload bandwidth for things like static assets while keeping your main workloads on AWS. You can build this sorta thing in a couple days I'd say.
- ryanlol 10y ago
  Those figures suggest that linode seriously overcharges for bandwidth.