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I meant design discussions, etc. Not just a code monkey. I'm sorry you think it is funny that I actually want to participate in the development process. Don't w

• 1_2__3 10y ago
  Right, we know. Every new grad thinks it's going to be high-level design discussions. It won't be. You'll be a code monkey.
  • ryanlm 10y ago
    Who is "we"? Also why would it be a code monkey job?
• khedoros 10y ago
  > I meant design discussions, etc. I think that was understood (at least, that's how I read it). In a good environment at any company, your ideas will be fairly weighed against other options. Most environments aren't "good", by that definition. Don't be surprised if ideas that don't support the status quo are thrown aside. > I'm sorry you think it is funny that I actually want to participate in the development process. They weren't making fun of you because you'd like to take part in the process. They were making fun of you because you think it would be that simple. > I've been keeping busy by having personal projects that most enterprise developers would probably not be able to understand. Condescending statements like this make me glad not to know you. I've done things that some of my coworkers don't understand, and they've sometimes done things that I never have. Personal projects are fine, but there's a difference between the short+sharp bits of brilliance that you might put in a personal project of a few thousand lines and introducing a major feature into a project that has a whole file for every line that your personal project has.
  • ryanlm 10y ago
    What, I don't have a right to defend myself after being made fun of? When did I ever presume it would be simple?
    • khedoros 10y ago
      Sure, you have a right. > When did I ever presume it would be simple? Your tone implies a process like this: 1. Get a job at Amazon 2. Never be bored, and have a good chance for input. You may be lucky and have an experience like that, but the general consensus seems to be that it isn't the most likely outcome. #1 is the easy part. The parts of #2 will be false to varying degrees, separately and together, as time goes on (every job has boring parts, for example). And anyhow, you wrote a post that was easy to make fun of, with the tempting mix of inexperience and confidence. You can't set yourself up for ridicule and expect that no one will take you up on the offer.
• ssalazar 10y ago
  Weird to see other commenters shutting you down. Mentoring younger or less experienced employees is an important part of many healthy software shops. Work environments where employees are constantly growing + learning interesting and new skills/knowledge are valued, so I would ignore the grumps here.