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It baffles me how your ignorance fuels you to connect two unrelated things, cyber crime vs sexual offenses. The problem everyone trying to discuss here is "Whet

It baffles me how your ignorance fuels you to connect two unrelated things, cyber crime vs sexual offenses. The problem everyone trying to discuss here is "Whether any usage of VPN" is banned in the UAE? Next time you go see a doctor for a throat rash are you going to get colonoscopy too? A good discussion here on same topic: https://www.quora.com/Is-using-a-VPN-in-the-UAE-illegal https://www.quora.com/Is-using-a-VPN-in-the-UAE-illegal UAE is not USA where anyone can use/say/do anything by anyway they like. It is a sovereign state, a monarchy. She welcomes people to live there in a very healthy and free lifestyle as long as you dont step out of your bounds. Trouble makers are going to find troubles to make even they live on an isolated island. I hope UAE govt come through and make an official elaborated statement that VPN usage for business/work related purpose is not discouraged.

zdean 10y ago
"She welcomes people to live there in a very healthy and free lifestyle as long as you dont step out of your bounds." I can't tell if you're being sarcastic with that statement... https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/series/modern-day-slavery-in-focus+world/united-arab-emirates https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/series/modern...
aioprisan 10y ago
You lost us at the "healthy and free" part, where press and media is actively censored. Don't get me started on freedom of religion. Where's the freedom in that, again?
ptaipale 10y ago
>connect two unrelated things, cyber crime vs sexual offenses. Are you absolutely sure they are that unrelated? Anyway, my point was that some of the things classified as "crimes" -- more explicitly, sexual offences -- in UAE are just a vile miscarriage of actual justice. Therefore, just referring to something not being a problem because it's "throwing the book at people already committing crimes" is not that good. I don't know if people misread my comment because I did not elaborate too much about the case I linked. The problem is not that a sexual offence is a crime in UAE. The problem is that when a group of men rapes a woman in UAE, it is a sexual offence committed by that woman when she makes the mistake of reporting it to authorities. I find that approach reprehensible. Yes, I know I'm applying my own Western norms to other people. When visiting places like UAE, I of course respect the local practices to avoid committing offences there, but I still do think some of their ideas of sexual offences what are backwards, reactionary and reprehensible. What you say about UAE as a sovereign state is of course quite true: She welcomes people to live there in a very healthy and free lifestyle as long as you dont step out of your bounds. The same could be said about any country, every repressive dictatorship. Life is fine as long as you don't step out of your "bounds". The "bounds" in UAE are less unreasonable than in DPRK, for instance, but I consider some of them still problematic. As such, this statement "throwing the book at people already committing crimes" is not really saying anything. The VPN rules just add to the injury of having some very, very unreasonable laws. (UAE is not USA, and I'm not from USA, either, so perhaps you are now making too many assumptions.)
- CodeSheikh 10y ago
  ptaipale perhaps I did misinterpret your comment and jumped too quickly on stating things. My whole point was let's stick to the thesis of the problem here i.e. VPN ban. People who want to use VPN for work related purposes what is going to happen to them? UAE like many other countries in that region have left a breadcrumb of problems behind them. In order to fit in to global fraternity they have to make drastic changes. Changes that cannot be made overnight. For example they recently introduced a law about fining employers who withhold paychecks for more than ten days etc. Neither I am an Emirati or live in that region. LIke many, I would simply get affected as a frequent traveler if such ban becomes a harsh reality.
  - EdHominem 10y ago
    You think they can't decriminalize being raped overnight? It's easy, strike that law from the books. Done. In a monarchy simply decriminalizing something can happen with the stoke of a pen. There's no roadblock other than a lack of desire.
- 794CD01 10y ago
  I didn't say it was not a problem, I said the headline was inaccurate and misleading, because it was, and that their other bad laws deserve more focus, because they do. If they only outlawed things that deserved to be criminalized, like theft or fraud, would the VPN surcharge still be a problem? Contrast with the scenario where VPN usage does not increase your 1 million Dh fine for using Skype to 3 million.

zdean 10y ago

"She welcomes people to live there in a very healthy and free lifestyle as long as you dont step out of your bounds." I can't tell if you're being sarcastic with that statement... https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/series/modern-day-slavery-in-focus+world/united-arab-emirates https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/series/modern...

aioprisan 10y ago

You lost us at the "healthy and free" part, where press and media is actively censored. Don't get me started on freedom of religion. Where's the freedom in that, again?

ptaipale 10y ago

>connect two unrelated things, cyber crime vs sexual offenses. Are you absolutely sure they are that unrelated? Anyway, my point was that some of the things classified as "crimes" -- more explicitly, sexual offences -- in UAE are just a vile miscarriage of actual justice. Therefore, just referring to something not being a problem because it's "throwing the book at people already committing crimes" is not that good. I don't know if people misread my comment because I did not elaborate too much about the case I linked. The problem is not that a sexual offence is a crime in UAE. The problem is that when a group of men rapes a woman in UAE, it is a sexual offence committed by that woman when she makes the mistake of reporting it to authorities. I find that approach reprehensible. Yes, I know I'm applying my own Western norms to other people. When visiting places like UAE, I of course respect the local practices to avoid committing offences there, but I still do think some of their ideas of sexual offences what are backwards, reactionary and reprehensible. What you say about UAE as a sovereign state is of course quite true: She welcomes people to live there in a very healthy and free lifestyle as long as you dont step out of your bounds. The same could be said about any country, every repressive dictatorship. Life is fine as long as you don't step out of your "bounds". The "bounds" in UAE are less unreasonable than in DPRK, for instance, but I consider some of them still problematic. As such, this statement "throwing the book at people already committing crimes" is not really saying anything. The VPN rules just add to the injury of having some very, very unreasonable laws. (UAE is not USA, and I'm not from USA, either, so perhaps you are now making too many assumptions.)

CodeSheikh 10y ago
ptaipale perhaps I did misinterpret your comment and jumped too quickly on stating things. My whole point was let's stick to the thesis of the problem here i.e. VPN ban. People who want to use VPN for work related purposes what is going to happen to them? UAE like many other countries in that region have left a breadcrumb of problems behind them. In order to fit in to global fraternity they have to make drastic changes. Changes that cannot be made overnight. For example they recently introduced a law about fining employers who withhold paychecks for more than ten days etc. Neither I am an Emirati or live in that region. LIke many, I would simply get affected as a frequent traveler if such ban becomes a harsh reality.
- EdHominem 10y ago
  You think they can't decriminalize being raped overnight? It's easy, strike that law from the books. Done. In a monarchy simply decriminalizing something can happen with the stoke of a pen. There's no roadblock other than a lack of desire.
794CD01 10y ago
I didn't say it was not a problem, I said the headline was inaccurate and misleading, because it was, and that their other bad laws deserve more focus, because they do. If they only outlawed things that deserved to be criminalized, like theft or fraud, would the VPN surcharge still be a problem? Contrast with the scenario where VPN usage does not increase your 1 million Dh fine for using Skype to 3 million.