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I haven't seen evidence of unions supporting for-profit schools, in fact, quite the opposite [1]. Care to share some evidence of that? [1] http://forprofitu.or

by steveax 10y ago

I haven't seen evidence of unions supporting for-profit schools, in fact, quite the opposite [1]. Care to share some evidence of that? [1] http://forprofitu.org/2013/06/seiu-testimony-at-a-department-of-education-hearing-on-oversight-of-for-profit-universities/ http://forprofitu.org/2013/06/seiu-testimony-at-a-department...

lintiness 10y ago
http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2014/06/05-masters-degree-pay-bump-chingos http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2014/06/05-masters-... teachers with masters degrees offer no bump in student performance but cost a lot more (see bill gates on this if you don't like brookings). where do you think they're getting these degrees, harvard and yale? they're getting their masters degrees online, at home, at night (devry, university of phoenix, etc.), and they're getting them in made up bullshit fields of study.
- steveax 10y ago
  I have no quibble with the assertion that advanced degrees do not correlate with better performance, but no evidence there that unions 'created the "for profit" school debt problem'.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  Where there are incentives for higher degrees in teaching, there is quite often a restriction that, to qualify for the incentive, the degree must either be in the subject area being taught or Education, so, while its quite possible that they are going to private for-profit schools (though, IME, there are plenty of evening, online, and distance-education programs targeting that market from traditional public and private nonprofit schools, so that's probably not that common), they probably aren't in "made up bullshit fields of study". (If they plan to keep the door open to going into administration, they'll usually do Education, because an advanced degree in Ed is selected for in hiring -- and sometimes an outright requirement -- for administrative positions.)
  - lintiness 10y ago
    the incentive is to achieve the credential while spending the least amount of time and money earning it. in the private sector, you'd get laughed out of an interview holding one of these credentials; in the public unions, you get an automatic pay and pension increase.

by steveax 10y ago

lintiness 10y ago

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2014/06/05-masters-degree-pay-bump-chingos http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2014/06/05-masters-... teachers with masters degrees offer no bump in student performance but cost a lot more (see bill gates on this if you don't like brookings). where do you think they're getting these degrees, harvard and yale? they're getting their masters degrees online, at home, at night (devry, university of phoenix, etc.), and they're getting them in made up bullshit fields of study.

steveax 10y ago
I have no quibble with the assertion that advanced degrees do not correlate with better performance, but no evidence there that unions 'created the "for profit" school debt problem'.
dragonwriter 10y ago
Where there are incentives for higher degrees in teaching, there is quite often a restriction that, to qualify for the incentive, the degree must either be in the subject area being taught or Education, so, while its quite possible that they are going to private for-profit schools (though, IME, there are plenty of evening, online, and distance-education programs targeting that market from traditional public and private nonprofit schools, so that's probably not that common), they probably aren't in "made up bullshit fields of study". (If they plan to keep the door open to going into administration, they'll usually do Education, because an advanced degree in Ed is selected for in hiring -- and sometimes an outright requirement -- for administrative positions.)
- lintiness 10y ago
  the incentive is to achieve the credential while spending the least amount of time and money earning it. in the private sector, you'd get laughed out of an interview holding one of these credentials; in the public unions, you get an automatic pay and pension increase.