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Well, in my country there were 2 terrorist acts since 50s, both by young political extremists. One by right-wing Catholic (well, I'm not sure he's Catholic, but

by ajuc 10y ago

Well, in my country there were 2 terrorist acts since 50s, both by young political extremists. One by right-wing Catholic (well, I'm not sure he's Catholic, but I'm sure he's not Muslim), and the other by 2 most probably atheistic left-wing extremists. And Poles had a lot experience with political terrorism when we were under occupation. Even our 1920s-30s leader Piłsudski was a terrorist once. So yes, terrorism isn't about religion, it's just correlated with one (and not even that strongly, usually - the current wave of terrorism doesn't even have the highest victim count in the last 50 years in Europe).

guard-of-terra 10y ago
Yeah, Poles got free pass in the world of globalization - most of the upsides without much downsides. Not even sure what's left for nationalists to rant about.
- ajuc 10y ago
  > Not even sure what's left for nationalists to rant about. "We're poor compared to Germans therefore betrayal". They're 20 sth, so they don't remember what real poor looks like.
  - guard-of-terra 10y ago
    But they have virtually no muslim migrants, no legalized prostitution, etc, etc... Are they nationalists or hedonists after all?
    - ajuc 10y ago
      > no legalized prostitution Actually it's legal if you do it by yourself. And it's even untaxed. I don't understand why :) It's only illegal if someone gets a cut. And anyway I don't think Polish nationalists are against prostitution in general. From what I understand they gather support basing on "Polish industry was sold, we were betrayed to EU, banks and foreign corporations buy out everything, leftists and gays want to destroy our culture, and flood us with Muslims".
      - guard-of-terra 10y ago
        > leftists and gays want to destroy our culture, and flood us with Muslims Isn't this concern valid? They definitely do.
        ajuc 10y ago
        How?
        guard-of-terra 10y ago
        You're questioning their means, but I'm talking about desires. "Gays and leftists" definitely want to "destroy their culture" and "flood them with Muslims". If we would hold a poll, "should Poland accept whole lot of refugees from Middle East?", what response would you expect from "gays and leftists"? I would suspect they'll be at least 60% pro "Poles should definitely accept as much refugees as humanely possible". Also met quite a few leftist/ultraliberal guys who not only thought that countries and nationalities were obsolete concepts, but were ready to implement that world-view at once.
        morgante 10y ago
        I'd love to hear a coherent explanation of how homosexuals are trying to "destroy their culture" and "flood them with Muslims." The vast majority of homosexuals I know have no interest in anything besides being accepted as gay. They don't want to change your culture, they don't even want to force you to embrace them. And the link with Muslims is especially surprising. Some of the most anti-Muslim people I know are gay precisely because of that religion's draconian and regressive stances on it. Of course, if your goal is to persuade people that there is a vast conspiracy of everyone else (leftists, gays, minorities) to invade you then the rhetoric makes a lot more sense. Naturally, it's straight out of the fascist playbook.
        guard-of-terra 10y ago
        > trying I wasn't talking about that, it's your imagination. Probably counts as spin on your part. Other than that, the explanation was provided to you. I'm not blaming gays especially, it's just they were mentioned together with leftists and I've weighted them together. I expect their superposition to be significant anyway. > if your goal is to persuade I have no goal, I'm just chit-chatting, thank you, officer, and good day. > there is a vast conspiracy That's your imagination again. > the rhetoric How about "discussion"? > straight out of the fascist playbook So is yours.

by ajuc 10y ago

guard-of-terra 10y ago

Yeah, Poles got free pass in the world of globalization - most of the upsides without much downsides. Not even sure what's left for nationalists to rant about.

ajuc 10y ago
> Not even sure what's left for nationalists to rant about. "We're poor compared to Germans therefore betrayal". They're 20 sth, so they don't remember what real poor looks like.
- guard-of-terra 10y ago
  But they have virtually no muslim migrants, no legalized prostitution, etc, etc... Are they nationalists or hedonists after all?
  - ajuc 10y ago
    > no legalized prostitution Actually it's legal if you do it by yourself. And it's even untaxed. I don't understand why :) It's only illegal if someone gets a cut. And anyway I don't think Polish nationalists are against prostitution in general. From what I understand they gather support basing on "Polish industry was sold, we were betrayed to EU, banks and foreign corporations buy out everything, leftists and gays want to destroy our culture, and flood us with Muslims".
    - guard-of-terra 10y ago
      > leftists and gays want to destroy our culture, and flood us with Muslims Isn't this concern valid? They definitely do.
      - ajuc 10y ago
        How?
        guard-of-terra 10y ago
        You're questioning their means, but I'm talking about desires. "Gays and leftists" definitely want to "destroy their culture" and "flood them with Muslims". If we would hold a poll, "should Poland accept whole lot of refugees from Middle East?", what response would you expect from "gays and leftists"? I would suspect they'll be at least 60% pro "Poles should definitely accept as much refugees as humanely possible". Also met quite a few leftist/ultraliberal guys who not only thought that countries and nationalities were obsolete concepts, but were ready to implement that world-view at once.
        morgante 10y ago
        I'd love to hear a coherent explanation of how homosexuals are trying to "destroy their culture" and "flood them with Muslims." The vast majority of homosexuals I know have no interest in anything besides being accepted as gay. They don't want to change your culture, they don't even want to force you to embrace them. And the link with Muslims is especially surprising. Some of the most anti-Muslim people I know are gay precisely because of that religion's draconian and regressive stances on it. Of course, if your goal is to persuade people that there is a vast conspiracy of everyone else (leftists, gays, minorities) to invade you then the rhetoric makes a lot more sense. Naturally, it's straight out of the fascist playbook.
        guard-of-terra 10y ago
        > trying I wasn't talking about that, it's your imagination. Probably counts as spin on your part. Other than that, the explanation was provided to you. I'm not blaming gays especially, it's just they were mentioned together with leftists and I've weighted them together. I expect their superposition to be significant anyway. > if your goal is to persuade I have no goal, I'm just chit-chatting, thank you, officer, and good day. > there is a vast conspiracy That's your imagination again. > the rhetoric How about "discussion"? > straight out of the fascist playbook So is yours.