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"The problem is that we need to let millions of people die of curable diseases constantly" Not the case at all. Biggest use of antibiotics today is in food pro

by ss248 10y ago

"The problem is that we need to let millions of people die of curable diseases constantly" Not the case at all. Biggest use of antibiotics today is in food production(agriculture etc.), not in hospitals. And it's also completely unregulated. "The problem is that evolution is out-researching us" Evolution also has a simple rule: "Use it or lose it". So don't be afraid. There are ways around acquired immunity.

refurb 10y ago
And it's also completely unregulated. I think the FDA might disagree with you on that point.
djrogers 10y ago
>Biggest use of antibiotics today is in food production(agriculture etc.), not in hospitals. And it's also completely unregulated. Completely false - antibiotic (and all drug) use in animals is absolutely regulated in nearly all countries, including the US [1,2,3]. Said regulations may not be what you'd like, but to claim they don't exist is silly. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_livestock#Regulatory_context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_livestock#Re... [2]http://modernfarmer.com/2015/10/california-antibiotic-livestock-regulations/ http://modernfarmer.com/2015/10/california-antibiotic-livest... [3]https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/06/03/2015-13393/veterinary-feed-directive https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/06/03/2015-133... edit formatting
- kpil 10y ago
  True, but it must go down or we will never have functional antibiotics. It seems to be possible, in Italy they use 50 times more antibiotics per pig than here in Sweden, due to the stricter regulation. Denmark is doing good but still uses twice as much as in Sweden. This is due to our regulations, and it costs more to keep the pigs healthy, but due to EU:s strict trade rules, there are no way we can protect our farmers from the cheaper meat. And somehow Italian ham is considered to be of higher quality...
- ss248 10y ago
  Yeah, I guess I was wrong about regulation. But point still stands. From your second link: "In the U.S., about 80 percent of antibiotics are used for livestock and 20 percent for humans"

by ss248 10y ago

refurb 10y ago

And it's also completely unregulated. I think the FDA might disagree with you on that point.

djrogers 10y ago

>Biggest use of antibiotics today is in food production(agriculture etc.), not in hospitals. And it's also completely unregulated. Completely false - antibiotic (and all drug) use in animals is absolutely regulated in nearly all countries, including the US [1,2,3]. Said regulations may not be what you'd like, but to claim they don't exist is silly. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_livestock#Regulatory_context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_livestock#Re... [2]http://modernfarmer.com/2015/10/california-antibiotic-livestock-regulations/ http://modernfarmer.com/2015/10/california-antibiotic-livest... [3]https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/06/03/2015-13393/veterinary-feed-directive https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/06/03/2015-133... edit formatting

kpil 10y ago
True, but it must go down or we will never have functional antibiotics. It seems to be possible, in Italy they use 50 times more antibiotics per pig than here in Sweden, due to the stricter regulation. Denmark is doing good but still uses twice as much as in Sweden. This is due to our regulations, and it costs more to keep the pigs healthy, but due to EU:s strict trade rules, there are no way we can protect our farmers from the cheaper meat. And somehow Italian ham is considered to be of higher quality...
ss248 10y ago
Yeah, I guess I was wrong about regulation. But point still stands. From your second link: "In the U.S., about 80 percent of antibiotics are used for livestock and 20 percent for humans"