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> These consumer products are ‘peace of mind’ devices, not part of TSA’s aviation security regime. --TSA In my opinion, the TSA itself is nothing more than a

> These consumer products are ‘peace of mind’ devices, not part of TSA’s aviation security regime. --TSA In my opinion, the TSA itself is nothing more than a "peace of mind" device.

baby 10y ago
which is funny because I do not have peace of mind when I go to an airport 3 hours before my flight in hope that the TSA lines won't make me lose my flight.
djsumdog 10y ago
They give me no piece of mind. In fact I hate flying in the United States because out of the 20 countries I've flow in and out of, the US is the only when where I still get molested. Even as late as 2015, on returning to America after not having hands stuffed down my pants in any other airport in the world, America still doesn't disappoint. Fuck the TSA. Airport security should be handed back over to the airlines and airports.
- kobayashi 10y ago
  The TSA was created for legit safety/security purposes. The organization itself is assuredly a clusterfuck, but airlines and airports doing their own security again isn't the answer. A lot of it is about training. Many, if not most, of TSA's airport employees are the same poorly trained security staff that were laid off (and subsequently rehired) after the TSA's creation. The answer is a better security organization, perhaps modelled after a functioning organization, like Israel's (I've studied the country's security practices, and it readily comes to mind). The answer is not regressing to poorly trained and poorly organized DIY security operations.
  - CamperBob2 10y ago
    The TSA was created for legit safety/security purposes. The organization itself is assuredly a clusterfuck, but airlines and airports doing their own security again isn't the answer. The answer was reinforcing and locking cockpit doors. Everything after that is just for show.
  - syshum 10y ago
    >>The TSA was created for legit safety/security purposes. No >> The answer is not regressing to poorly trained and poorly organized DIY security operations. The answer lies in not giving up essential liberty for promises of safety The goal of Terrorism is to scare people so badly they give up their own way of life "voluntarily" because they are scared, in that the terrorist have won
  - pavel_lishin 10y ago
    > airlines and airports doing their own security again isn't the answer. Why not? They could hardly do worse than the TSA: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/politics/tsa-failed-undercover-airport-screening-tests/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/politics/tsa-failed-undercover... > According to a report based on an internal investigation, "red teams" with the Department of Homeland Security's Office of the Inspector General were able to get banned items through the screening process in 67 out of 70 tests it conducted across the nation.
talmand 10y ago
The TSA has actually increased the danger by creating even larger targets of opportunity than just the airplanes. At busy times there are likely 5 to 10 airplanes worth of people standing in one spot before they get past security.

> These consumer products are ‘peace of mind’ devices, not part of TSA’s aviation security regime. --TSA In my opinion, the TSA itself is nothing more than a "peace of mind" device.

baby 10y ago

which is funny because I do not have peace of mind when I go to an airport 3 hours before my flight in hope that the TSA lines won't make me lose my flight.

djsumdog 10y ago

They give me no piece of mind. In fact I hate flying in the United States because out of the 20 countries I've flow in and out of, the US is the only when where I still get molested. Even as late as 2015, on returning to America after not having hands stuffed down my pants in any other airport in the world, America still doesn't disappoint. Fuck the TSA. Airport security should be handed back over to the airlines and airports.

kobayashi 10y ago
The TSA was created for legit safety/security purposes. The organization itself is assuredly a clusterfuck, but airlines and airports doing their own security again isn't the answer. A lot of it is about training. Many, if not most, of TSA's airport employees are the same poorly trained security staff that were laid off (and subsequently rehired) after the TSA's creation. The answer is a better security organization, perhaps modelled after a functioning organization, like Israel's (I've studied the country's security practices, and it readily comes to mind). The answer is not regressing to poorly trained and poorly organized DIY security operations.
- CamperBob2 10y ago
  The TSA was created for legit safety/security purposes. The organization itself is assuredly a clusterfuck, but airlines and airports doing their own security again isn't the answer. The answer was reinforcing and locking cockpit doors. Everything after that is just for show.
- syshum 10y ago
  >>The TSA was created for legit safety/security purposes. No >> The answer is not regressing to poorly trained and poorly organized DIY security operations. The answer lies in not giving up essential liberty for promises of safety The goal of Terrorism is to scare people so badly they give up their own way of life "voluntarily" because they are scared, in that the terrorist have won
- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  > airlines and airports doing their own security again isn't the answer. Why not? They could hardly do worse than the TSA: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/politics/tsa-failed-undercover-airport-screening-tests/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/politics/tsa-failed-undercover... > According to a report based on an internal investigation, "red teams" with the Department of Homeland Security's Office of the Inspector General were able to get banned items through the screening process in 67 out of 70 tests it conducted across the nation.

talmand 10y ago

The TSA has actually increased the danger by creating even larger targets of opportunity than just the airplanes. At busy times there are likely 5 to 10 airplanes worth of people standing in one spot before they get past security.