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Um. Just buy a different phone if you don't think the tradeoffs Apple have made suit your particular use case. Chill. It's all going to be okay.

tooFastFuckYou 10y ago
They aren't trade-offs, and the use case is: mobile phone. If there's some other use case that dominates "mobile phone" for mobile phones, let's hear it.
- logiclion 10y ago
  A billion "mobile phones" sold doesn't seem very anti consumer to me.
  - stephengillie 10y ago
    A billion devices with heavy lock-in, reduced feature sets, and no alternative for OS updates sounds pretty darn anti-consumer. Even in this thread, commenters are having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find uses for their old iPhones.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >Even in this thread, commenters are having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find uses for their old iPhones. And why should they? Do you keep old VHS drives and mid-2000s PDAs around? Tons of people change cars every 5-6 years or so -- and we're talking about buying a new phone every 2-3 years as if its bad, in a field where progress (from 1995 to 2016) has been astronomical compared to the pace of car progress?
      - stephengillie 10y ago
        Cars have 30 years of resale value, if they're cared for. Like many other electronics, phones have basically stopped improving in the past few years. Processor and battery technology are used at their limits, and a phone from 5 years ago still works well today, if you can get software updates for it.
        coldtea 10y ago
        >Cars have 30 years of resale value, if they're cared for Well, if resale value is what you're after, then you have the best deal with the iPhone in the first place, combined to any other mobile brand. >Like many other electronics, phones have basically stopped improving in the past few years. I beg to differ. Except if you mean "for what I do/care about". 50-100% faster processors and GPUs every 2 years are not "stopped improving". Newer camera systems (4K, image stabilizations, slo-mo), touch id sensors, etc. A lot of the things people do depend on those improvements. Of course for mere phoning, casual app use, etc, then sure.
    - oldmanjay 10y ago
      Have you ever considered how boring the world would be if you determined the only opinions people could hold? I can tell you've considered how great it would be, but I think it's important to think outside yourself sometimes.
      - stephengillie 10y ago
        I want people to be burdened by an over-abundance of choices, but elegantly displayed.
  - scarface74 10y ago
    Yes because the Android manufacturers commitment to support and updates to their phones are so much better....
- ultramancool 10y ago
  > If there's some other use case that dominates "mobile phone" for mobile phones, let's hear it. The use case is a lot larger than just "mobile phone". I'm an Android guy, but I rarely use my phone to make phone calls, in fact I don't use it to make phone calls at all on my provider's network, I use a SIP client to connect to a VoIP service for calling, I do secure messaging via Signal, I run emulators and play old games, I run a full linux environment to do some minimal development and to ssh into servers, I stream audio to my Sonos from YouTube videos and prevent apps from getting my private data by spoofing it and block ads in free apps because I'm a cheap fuck. Many of these applications make an iPhone a poor choice for me, but not for many other people. If you just need a mobile phone, an iPhone still serves that use case perfectly well. So does the most basic android phone and probably a cheapass Nokia from 10 years ago. The use case is what makes the difference here.
flukus 10y ago
Not quite as simple if you're locked in to the apple eco system. You can only blame yourself for getting locked in though.
- coldtea 10y ago
  How exactly are you "locked"? By DRM-free music files? By the Photos app that you can export anytime you want? By the iCloud storage which you can trivially replace with Google Drive or Dropbox? By the Contacts app that makes it trivial to export all your contacts? What exactly will be the lock there? At worst you'd have bought some Mac/iOS apps from the App Stores that you'd need to rebuy. But that's always the case (App Store or not) for any platform transition since one platform's apps would not run at the other platform. And for the big apps (MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite etc), their subscriptions allow you to migrate to one or the other platform...

tooFastFuckYou 10y ago

They aren't trade-offs, and the use case is: mobile phone. If there's some other use case that dominates "mobile phone" for mobile phones, let's hear it.

logiclion 10y ago
A billion "mobile phones" sold doesn't seem very anti consumer to me.
- stephengillie 10y ago
  A billion devices with heavy lock-in, reduced feature sets, and no alternative for OS updates sounds pretty darn anti-consumer. Even in this thread, commenters are having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find uses for their old iPhones.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >Even in this thread, commenters are having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find uses for their old iPhones. And why should they? Do you keep old VHS drives and mid-2000s PDAs around? Tons of people change cars every 5-6 years or so -- and we're talking about buying a new phone every 2-3 years as if its bad, in a field where progress (from 1995 to 2016) has been astronomical compared to the pace of car progress?
    - stephengillie 10y ago
      Cars have 30 years of resale value, if they're cared for. Like many other electronics, phones have basically stopped improving in the past few years. Processor and battery technology are used at their limits, and a phone from 5 years ago still works well today, if you can get software updates for it.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        >Cars have 30 years of resale value, if they're cared for Well, if resale value is what you're after, then you have the best deal with the iPhone in the first place, combined to any other mobile brand. >Like many other electronics, phones have basically stopped improving in the past few years. I beg to differ. Except if you mean "for what I do/care about". 50-100% faster processors and GPUs every 2 years are not "stopped improving". Newer camera systems (4K, image stabilizations, slo-mo), touch id sensors, etc. A lot of the things people do depend on those improvements. Of course for mere phoning, casual app use, etc, then sure.
  - oldmanjay 10y ago
    Have you ever considered how boring the world would be if you determined the only opinions people could hold? I can tell you've considered how great it would be, but I think it's important to think outside yourself sometimes.
    - stephengillie 10y ago
      I want people to be burdened by an over-abundance of choices, but elegantly displayed.
- scarface74 10y ago
  Yes because the Android manufacturers commitment to support and updates to their phones are so much better....
ultramancool 10y ago
> If there's some other use case that dominates "mobile phone" for mobile phones, let's hear it. The use case is a lot larger than just "mobile phone". I'm an Android guy, but I rarely use my phone to make phone calls, in fact I don't use it to make phone calls at all on my provider's network, I use a SIP client to connect to a VoIP service for calling, I do secure messaging via Signal, I run emulators and play old games, I run a full linux environment to do some minimal development and to ssh into servers, I stream audio to my Sonos from YouTube videos and prevent apps from getting my private data by spoofing it and block ads in free apps because I'm a cheap fuck. Many of these applications make an iPhone a poor choice for me, but not for many other people. If you just need a mobile phone, an iPhone still serves that use case perfectly well. So does the most basic android phone and probably a cheapass Nokia from 10 years ago. The use case is what makes the difference here.

flukus 10y ago

Not quite as simple if you're locked in to the apple eco system. You can only blame yourself for getting locked in though.

coldtea 10y ago
How exactly are you "locked"? By DRM-free music files? By the Photos app that you can export anytime you want? By the iCloud storage which you can trivially replace with Google Drive or Dropbox? By the Contacts app that makes it trivial to export all your contacts? What exactly will be the lock there? At worst you'd have bought some Mac/iOS apps from the App Stores that you'd need to rebuy. But that's always the case (App Store or not) for any platform transition since one platform's apps would not run at the other platform. And for the big apps (MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite etc), their subscriptions allow you to migrate to one or the other platform...