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Your first link says nothing about the size of LG Chem's battery factory.

by tcoppi 10y ago

Animats 10y ago
Sorry. Here's a picture.[1] LG had a problem for a while - more manufacturing capacity than Chevy needed. They shut down the battery plant briefly. But that turned around. [1] http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/25/lg-chems-troubled-chevy-volt-battery-plant-hiring-once-again/ http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/25/lg-chems-troubled-chevy-v...
- tcoppi 10y ago
  That still doesn't lead me to believe that it is a larger battery factory than the Gigafactory, either in square footage(the Gigafactory will be the largest factory in the world when completed, not just battery factory) or in total battery output(the Gigafactory's output is obviously unknown, but there are at least design targets that put it at greater than the entire WORLD's 2014 battery production). It may be larger than the Gigafactory is now(14% complete) or produce more batteries(not very hard, since Gigafactory isn't producing any yet), but those aren't really meaningful comparisons when judging the newsworthiness of the Gigafactory. If there are actual hard, numbers that put the Gigafactory's to shame out there, please share. As a Tesla investor I want to know :)
  - Animats 10y ago
    "the Gigafactory will be the largest factory in the world when completed" No way. Not even close. One of the largest single buildings, yes. Largest factory, no. See Ford's River Rouge plant, which once was the largest factory in the world.[1] Today, Foxconn has a whole walled city.[2] (Foxconn makes 40% of the world's consumer electronics. They're getting into auto manufacturing.) What Tesla has actually built is much smaller. Right now, LG has more battery factory in operation than Tesla does. Looking ahead, VW is talking about building a $15 billion battery factory, bigger than Tesla's.[3] VW can come up with $15 billion. [1] https://goo.gl/maps/EvoyvV2HB3K2 https://goo.gl/maps/EvoyvV2HB3K2 [2] https://goo.gl/maps/LZKdTUpz8ck https://goo.gl/maps/LZKdTUpz8ck [3] http://www.techtimes.com/articles/161873/20160530/volkswagen-to-build-15-5-billion-battery-factory-in-a-bid-to-reposition-itself-in-electric-car-industry.htm http://www.techtimes.com/articles/161873/20160530/volkswagen...
    - tcoppi 10y ago
      Satellite map pictures are not a measure of size. And yes, I misspoke, it will be the largest building in the world by footprint/square footage, not the largest factory. VW's plant is still in the conceptual stages, but if it ever happens it will indeed be impressive. But none of that makes the Gigafactory less impressive, especially once completed.
      - Someone 10y ago
        Largest factory building, but according to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_buildings_in_the_world#Largest_footprint https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_buildings_in..., not the largest building in footprint. The Aalsmeer flower auction beats it by the relatively tiny margin of 8,000 square meters By the way, the BBC recently had a documentary about the flower industry that I think is worth watching if you are interested in manufacturing and logistics. For Brits in England, it is on iPlayer at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07czwfd http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07czwfd, but Flora Holland seems to have it available for everyone at https://www.royalfloraholland.com/en/speciale-paginas/search-in-news/v40013/bbc-broadcasts-documentary-about-royal-floraholland/ https://www.royalfloraholland.com/en/speciale-paginas/search.... In particular the parts about an army of marching lilies (starts about 26:50 in) and the way the auction clocks work (about 34:00 in) may be of interest to those interested in automation and efficiency (it seems they manage to make a sale every 5 seconds or so on one clock, with seven of them in the room)
        tcoppi 10y ago
        That's a comparison with the Tesla Fremont factory, where they assemble the actual cars. The Gigafactory in Nevada will be 538,837 square meters(if my math is right, 5.8 million square feet for the Gigafactory is the number I have), handily beating the Aalsmeer flower auction at 518,000 sq meters.
        Someone 10y ago
        Thanks. I guess I was wrong-footed because of limited knowledge of US geography and because Wikipedia (erroneously, I guess) states the Fremont factory is under construction.
- aerovistae 10y ago
  Your first link made no mention of factory size, and after someone pointed this out, you've provided a picture of a concept drawing. This does not inspire confidence in your assertions.

Your first link says nothing about the size of LG Chem's battery factory.

by tcoppi 10y ago

Your first link says nothing about the size of LG Chem's battery factory.

Sorry. Here's a picture.[1] LG had a problem for a while - more manufacturing capacity than Chevy needed. They shut down the battery plant briefly. But that turned around. [1] http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/25/lg-chems-troubled-chevy-volt-battery-plant-hiring-once-again/ http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/25/lg-chems-troubled-chevy-v...

tcoppi 10y ago
That still doesn't lead me to believe that it is a larger battery factory than the Gigafactory, either in square footage(the Gigafactory will be the largest factory in the world when completed, not just battery factory) or in total battery output(the Gigafactory's output is obviously unknown, but there are at least design targets that put it at greater than the entire WORLD's 2014 battery production). It may be larger than the Gigafactory is now(14% complete) or produce more batteries(not very hard, since Gigafactory isn't producing any yet), but those aren't really meaningful comparisons when judging the newsworthiness of the Gigafactory. If there are actual hard, numbers that put the Gigafactory's to shame out there, please share. As a Tesla investor I want to know :)
- Animats 10y ago
  "the Gigafactory will be the largest factory in the world when completed" No way. Not even close. One of the largest single buildings, yes. Largest factory, no. See Ford's River Rouge plant, which once was the largest factory in the world.[1] Today, Foxconn has a whole walled city.[2] (Foxconn makes 40% of the world's consumer electronics. They're getting into auto manufacturing.) What Tesla has actually built is much smaller. Right now, LG has more battery factory in operation than Tesla does. Looking ahead, VW is talking about building a $15 billion battery factory, bigger than Tesla's.[3] VW can come up with $15 billion. [1] https://goo.gl/maps/EvoyvV2HB3K2 https://goo.gl/maps/EvoyvV2HB3K2 [2] https://goo.gl/maps/LZKdTUpz8ck https://goo.gl/maps/LZKdTUpz8ck [3] http://www.techtimes.com/articles/161873/20160530/volkswagen-to-build-15-5-billion-battery-factory-in-a-bid-to-reposition-itself-in-electric-car-industry.htm http://www.techtimes.com/articles/161873/20160530/volkswagen...
  - tcoppi 10y ago
    Satellite map pictures are not a measure of size. And yes, I misspoke, it will be the largest building in the world by footprint/square footage, not the largest factory. VW's plant is still in the conceptual stages, but if it ever happens it will indeed be impressive. But none of that makes the Gigafactory less impressive, especially once completed.
    - Someone 10y ago
      Largest factory building, but according to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_buildings_in_the_world#Largest_footprint https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_buildings_in..., not the largest building in footprint. The Aalsmeer flower auction beats it by the relatively tiny margin of 8,000 square meters By the way, the BBC recently had a documentary about the flower industry that I think is worth watching if you are interested in manufacturing and logistics. For Brits in England, it is on iPlayer at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07czwfd http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07czwfd, but Flora Holland seems to have it available for everyone at https://www.royalfloraholland.com/en/speciale-paginas/search-in-news/v40013/bbc-broadcasts-documentary-about-royal-floraholland/ https://www.royalfloraholland.com/en/speciale-paginas/search.... In particular the parts about an army of marching lilies (starts about 26:50 in) and the way the auction clocks work (about 34:00 in) may be of interest to those interested in automation and efficiency (it seems they manage to make a sale every 5 seconds or so on one clock, with seven of them in the room)
      - tcoppi 10y ago
        That's a comparison with the Tesla Fremont factory, where they assemble the actual cars. The Gigafactory in Nevada will be 538,837 square meters(if my math is right, 5.8 million square feet for the Gigafactory is the number I have), handily beating the Aalsmeer flower auction at 518,000 sq meters.
        Someone 10y ago
        Thanks. I guess I was wrong-footed because of limited knowledge of US geography and because Wikipedia (erroneously, I guess) states the Fremont factory is under construction.
aerovistae 10y ago
Your first link made no mention of factory size, and after someone pointed this out, you've provided a picture of a concept drawing. This does not inspire confidence in your assertions.