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> The victims These accusers only become "victims" after an impartial jury of Appelbaum's peers weighs the evidence and pronounces him guilty.
by fdsaaf 10y ago
> The victims
These accusers only become "victims" after an impartial jury of Appelbaum's peers weighs the evidence and pronounces him guilty.
- Tomte 10y agoWrong. Not every judicial system uses juries. "Victim" is not a predominantly judicial term, unlike "defendant" or "felon", so the everyday meaning of someone who suffered something applies. That's a factual thing, not procedural as you claim above.
- fdsaaf 10y agoThe operation of the judicial system is how we establish facts in the scenario where a person is accused to wrongdoing. I'm making a procedural objection, yes, and I'm doing it because accusations are too important to be left to innuendo.
- Tomte 10y agoNo, we usually don't. The vast majority of accusations in our lives have no place in court. Only the very gravest ones find their way there. And we're under no obligation to refrain from drawing our own conclusions.
- dragonwriter 10y ago> The operation of the judicial system is how we establish facts in the scenario where a person is accused to wrongdoing. No, its how the justice system determines whether fact claims are adequately supported to apply legal sanctions. Individuals are free to determine and speak on their conclusions as to the truth of fact claims independent of judicial conclusions; this is a fairly fundamental freedom (reflected in the first amendment) and essential to the marketplace of ideas.
- tedunangst 10y agoThis is clearly false. If someone steals my wallet, I'm the victim of pickpocketing even if the perpetrator is never identified, let alone convicted.