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> Milo's tweets weren't anywhere NEAR harassment level. Trolling a famous person on twitter is not harassment and brigading. Milo had tens of thousands of flyi

by scholia 10y ago

> Milo's tweets weren't anywhere NEAR harassment level. Trolling a famous person on twitter is not harassment and brigading. Milo had tens of thousands of flying monkeys to troll and harass people on his behalf. He knew this perfectly well, and used it all the time. His tweets didn't need to be particularly harassing: all he had to do was point the finger. Which he did.

Karunamon 10y ago
So what, when you gain over some arbitrary amount of followers, you're not allowed to ever tweet about another person? What's the magic number at which you're not allowed to speak about anything but generalities? That's an plainly insane rule. How about Twitter actually ban people who actually break the site rules, act with some small measure of maturity, and stop moderating with a political bias that a child could see?
- scholia 10y ago
  You're ignoring the context. Milo knew what he was doing. It was deliberate harassment. And thanks to his thuggish role in gamergate, he had plenty of "previous".
  - Karunamon 10y ago
    Milo knew what he was doing. What objective facts do you base this on? The tweets themselves are completely innocuous. And meanwhile, people who post actual harassment and threats are left unscathed (I've personally reported a few myself), and while I'm not privy to what happens in Jack's office, it definitely quacks like it's okay to to harass if you subscribe to one political mindset, but not another.
    - scholia 10y ago
      We followed each other on Twitter, and have mutual acquaintances. I also know personal stuff about Milo that not many people know. If there were meanings that weren't obvious to you, that doesn't mean they weren't there.
      - Karunamon 10y ago
        It also means those meanings are completely worthless to bring into this discussion as they can't be evaluated - your comment is worded as if it's personal stuff you don't want to get in to.
        scholia 10y ago
        Maybe it's a cultural thing. Milo is basically an example of British schoolboy humor, and the biggest joke for us, watching it, is that Republicans don't get the joke and take him seriously. But then, Milo is just riding Trump, and plenty of Republicans take him seriously as well. (Not all, of course. Some have retained their integrity https://goplifer.com/2016/07/22/resignation-letter/ https://goplifer.com/2016/07/22/resignation-letter/ ) The problem is that people who are being taken for a ride obviously don't know they are being taken for a ride, or they wouldn't be. And they definitely don't want to know that: they'll just get angry. So it's much better not to tell them....
  - michaelbuddy 10y ago
    his 'thuggish role' you mean when he realized that the media were telling lies, where gaming websites were insulting gamers and he stood up for them on Twitter and Breitbart. What you call thuggish is really superior charisma and getting results.
    - scholia 10y ago
      Whatever #gamergate was supposed to be, in reality, it resulted in a series of thuggish massed attacks on women such as Zoë Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. I guess any self-righteous and simple-minded "cause" like #gamergate is likely to attract trolls and misogynists, but my personal experience on Twitter was that it was mainly backed by thick bigots. Of course, YMMV. Just the sort of crowd that Milo can manipulate. And in his cynical self-aggrandising universe, dupes are there to be manipulated.
      - Karunamon 10y ago
        I implore you to read some of the facts on #gamergate - it's no coincidence that most of the people crowing the loudest about harassment have a financial motive to present that argument. Most of what you're hearing is horribly, horribly slanted, if not outright false. Ask yourself why we're supposed to take someone that cries "i'm being harassed!" on faith. Ask yourself why certain prominent individuals have been caught faking harassment directed at themselves. http://deepfreeze.it http://deepfreeze.it - literally every single point of discussion on this site is backed up with a citation, and it provides a very strong, very plausible alternative to the narrative surrounding that movement. I'm not going to say that trolls in there don't exist, but it's not near as significant a component of the group as you've been led to believe.
        scholia 10y ago
        > Most of what you're hearing is horribly, horribly slanted, if not outright false. Not in my personal experience, both of Milo and of Gamergate. Glad to hear you have a different and better experience, but I saw the harassment and thuggery in action.
- SixSigma 10y ago
  It's not a number, it depends which side of the issue you're on. Dorsey & BLM's Leader are friends therefore so long as you're cheering on the murder of cops you're ok.
- SixSigma 10y ago
  Running out of money ? Give $10,000-$25,000 to The Clinton Foundation http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundation-donors-include-dozens-of-media-organizations-individuals-207228 http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundati...
michaelbuddy 10y ago
>Milo had tens of thousands of flying monkeys to troll and harass people your claim. I was reading his tweets and you're wrong. It's simple. you don't have a leg to stand on. And thanks to twitter, we don't have the records to look at either. But since I was reading them I know, so I don't have to take your claim into consideration.
- scholia 10y ago
  Your problem, I think.
  - michaelbuddy 10y ago
    Yeah I reread his tweets there. They were no where near harassment level, again I reiterate. This is twitter's failure and it didn't help them in their stock this week. It may be a fatal blow as things continue and replacement platforms start to surface.
    - scholia 10y ago
      I read his tweets. We followed each other on Twitter. The problem is you're naive enough not to understand them. But as with gamergate, Milo is an expert at exploiting dupes.
- ruste 10y ago
  For what it's worth: https://tweetsave.com/nero https://tweetsave.com/nero

by scholia 10y ago

Karunamon 10y ago

So what, when you gain over some arbitrary amount of followers, you're not allowed to ever tweet about another person? What's the magic number at which you're not allowed to speak about anything but generalities? That's an plainly insane rule. How about Twitter actually ban people who actually break the site rules, act with some small measure of maturity, and stop moderating with a political bias that a child could see?

scholia 10y ago
You're ignoring the context. Milo knew what he was doing. It was deliberate harassment. And thanks to his thuggish role in gamergate, he had plenty of "previous".
- Karunamon 10y ago
  Milo knew what he was doing. What objective facts do you base this on? The tweets themselves are completely innocuous. And meanwhile, people who post actual harassment and threats are left unscathed (I've personally reported a few myself), and while I'm not privy to what happens in Jack's office, it definitely quacks like it's okay to to harass if you subscribe to one political mindset, but not another.
  - scholia 10y ago
    We followed each other on Twitter, and have mutual acquaintances. I also know personal stuff about Milo that not many people know. If there were meanings that weren't obvious to you, that doesn't mean they weren't there.
    - Karunamon 10y ago
      It also means those meanings are completely worthless to bring into this discussion as they can't be evaluated - your comment is worded as if it's personal stuff you don't want to get in to.
      - scholia 10y ago
        Maybe it's a cultural thing. Milo is basically an example of British schoolboy humor, and the biggest joke for us, watching it, is that Republicans don't get the joke and take him seriously. But then, Milo is just riding Trump, and plenty of Republicans take him seriously as well. (Not all, of course. Some have retained their integrity https://goplifer.com/2016/07/22/resignation-letter/ https://goplifer.com/2016/07/22/resignation-letter/ ) The problem is that people who are being taken for a ride obviously don't know they are being taken for a ride, or they wouldn't be. And they definitely don't want to know that: they'll just get angry. So it's much better not to tell them....
- michaelbuddy 10y ago
  his 'thuggish role' you mean when he realized that the media were telling lies, where gaming websites were insulting gamers and he stood up for them on Twitter and Breitbart. What you call thuggish is really superior charisma and getting results.
  - scholia 10y ago
    Whatever #gamergate was supposed to be, in reality, it resulted in a series of thuggish massed attacks on women such as Zoë Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. I guess any self-righteous and simple-minded "cause" like #gamergate is likely to attract trolls and misogynists, but my personal experience on Twitter was that it was mainly backed by thick bigots. Of course, YMMV. Just the sort of crowd that Milo can manipulate. And in his cynical self-aggrandising universe, dupes are there to be manipulated.
    - Karunamon 10y ago
      I implore you to read some of the facts on #gamergate - it's no coincidence that most of the people crowing the loudest about harassment have a financial motive to present that argument. Most of what you're hearing is horribly, horribly slanted, if not outright false. Ask yourself why we're supposed to take someone that cries "i'm being harassed!" on faith. Ask yourself why certain prominent individuals have been caught faking harassment directed at themselves. http://deepfreeze.it http://deepfreeze.it - literally every single point of discussion on this site is backed up with a citation, and it provides a very strong, very plausible alternative to the narrative surrounding that movement. I'm not going to say that trolls in there don't exist, but it's not near as significant a component of the group as you've been led to believe.
      - scholia 10y ago
        > Most of what you're hearing is horribly, horribly slanted, if not outright false. Not in my personal experience, both of Milo and of Gamergate. Glad to hear you have a different and better experience, but I saw the harassment and thuggery in action.
SixSigma 10y ago
It's not a number, it depends which side of the issue you're on. Dorsey & BLM's Leader are friends therefore so long as you're cheering on the murder of cops you're ok.
SixSigma 10y ago
Running out of money ? Give $10,000-$25,000 to The Clinton Foundation http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundation-donors-include-dozens-of-media-organizations-individuals-207228 http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundati...

michaelbuddy 10y ago

>Milo had tens of thousands of flying monkeys to troll and harass people your claim. I was reading his tweets and you're wrong. It's simple. you don't have a leg to stand on. And thanks to twitter, we don't have the records to look at either. But since I was reading them I know, so I don't have to take your claim into consideration.

scholia 10y ago
Your problem, I think.
- michaelbuddy 10y ago
  Yeah I reread his tweets there. They were no where near harassment level, again I reiterate. This is twitter's failure and it didn't help them in their stock this week. It may be a fatal blow as things continue and replacement platforms start to surface.
  - scholia 10y ago
    I read his tweets. We followed each other on Twitter. The problem is you're naive enough not to understand them. But as with gamergate, Milo is an expert at exploiting dupes.
ruste 10y ago
For what it's worth: https://tweetsave.com/nero https://tweetsave.com/nero