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yeah and that's a Trump specific forum and they have RULES on the side for what is banned. Contrast that with r/news where it's purported to be 'news' not some

yeah and that's a Trump specific forum and they have RULES on the side for what is banned. Contrast that with r/news where it's purported to be 'news' not some partisan subreddit. You will get banned for having an opinion mods don't like. Not only that but those same mods will simply ban you from other subreddits they are mods for. r/news and r/worldnews was hit with that the other day. You're example is false equivalency. And what you call a preemptive ban, you'll actually discover that they are quite used to being brigaded on that subreddit and they know who participates. And bans aren't necessarily permanent there.

ivraatiems 10y ago
No, that's exactly my point. They have no desire to make a concession to free speech. They don't value free speech. Their ideology does not value free speech. My point is that modern neocons (who are really just neoprogressives progressing down a different line of reasoning) don't value free speech or reasonable discourse. Having rules that say "we don't value free speech or discourse" doesn't excuse them.
- snaky 10y ago
  That's the difference between neoprogressives (Trump) and conservatives (Cruz).
- michaelbuddy 10y ago
  Being banned from a particular subreddit with a particular set of rules by mods of that subreddit only on that subreddit is not banning from an entire platform (twitter) ALSO that sub in particular gets massively brigaded. BTW at Trump rallies, protesters didn't just get kicked out. MANY remained there, and he addressed certain ones with answers. Some were kicked out when it was clear they would not stop distracting those who were there to see TRUMP. Also, reddit allows you to subscribe, but twitter creates a stronger relationship between poster and followers. You'd be subscribed to a particular person but when they are banned, all their history is gone, you no longer see anything. It's like someone came into your house and took away one of your favorite TV channels, as well as anything you had recorded from that channel on your DVR. Who is this THEY you keep referring to anyway? You keep saying 'they' like readers are just supposed to know.

ivraatiems 10y ago

No, that's exactly my point. They have no desire to make a concession to free speech. They don't value free speech. Their ideology does not value free speech. My point is that modern neocons (who are really just neoprogressives progressing down a different line of reasoning) don't value free speech or reasonable discourse. Having rules that say "we don't value free speech or discourse" doesn't excuse them.

snaky 10y ago
That's the difference between neoprogressives (Trump) and conservatives (Cruz).
michaelbuddy 10y ago
Being banned from a particular subreddit with a particular set of rules by mods of that subreddit only on that subreddit is not banning from an entire platform (twitter) ALSO that sub in particular gets massively brigaded. BTW at Trump rallies, protesters didn't just get kicked out. MANY remained there, and he addressed certain ones with answers. Some were kicked out when it was clear they would not stop distracting those who were there to see TRUMP. Also, reddit allows you to subscribe, but twitter creates a stronger relationship between poster and followers. You'd be subscribed to a particular person but when they are banned, all their history is gone, you no longer see anything. It's like someone came into your house and took away one of your favorite TV channels, as well as anything you had recorded from that channel on your DVR. Who is this THEY you keep referring to anyway? You keep saying 'they' like readers are just supposed to know.