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What other people choose do with their privately-owned platforms does not limit anyone's freedom of speech, as the law currently stands.

MustardTiger 10y ago
You are confusing freedom of speech with "the right to freedom of speech". Me restricting your freedom of speech is still restricting your freedom of speech, it is just legal and does not violate the first amendment. The government restricting your freedom of speech is not legal, and violates the first amendment.
- abiox 10y ago
  what is "freedom of speech" outside the context of law?
  - snaky 10y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_and_the_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_and_the_Law
    - abiox 10y ago
      does this book contend that there is a thing such as "freedom of speech" which exists outside law? what is the reasoning?
snaky 10y ago
Freedom is not about the law.
- abiox 10y ago
  conversely, it could be argued that freedom is only about the law.
  - snaky 10y ago
    Really? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Law_in_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Law_in_Nazi_Germany
    - abiox 10y ago
      yes, really.
  - mcphage 10y ago
    > it could be argued that freedom is only about the law Hmm. I'd like to hear those arguments, since by itself the notion doesn't sound particularly compelling.
ivraatiems 10y ago
You're right, but it does show an endemic lack of respect for the concept of free speech.
Karunamon 10y ago
No, it very definitely limits freedom of speech, it just fails to infringe the constitution. And a "privately-owned platform" that is open to the public, used by a nontrivial amount of people, advertised by the owners as a place for public discussion, quoted in the media, etc etc etc isn't so "private" anymore.
CM30 10y ago
Except online, all platforms are privately owned. Hence you often get de facto censorship. You can technically say something not allowed on those platforms, but then find there's no way to draw any attention to this content/those views. It's like living in a company town where anything the administration don't like isn't allowed. It's a problem with freedom of speech and private property in general, and why some people have considered the idea of treating large social platforms as closer to utilities rather than businesses.
- st3v3r 10y ago
  So don't go to those sites/platforms. And this isn't a case of "things the administration doesn't like", this is a case of breaking the clear rules and harassing other users.

MustardTiger 10y ago

You are confusing freedom of speech with "the right to freedom of speech". Me restricting your freedom of speech is still restricting your freedom of speech, it is just legal and does not violate the first amendment. The government restricting your freedom of speech is not legal, and violates the first amendment.

abiox 10y ago
what is "freedom of speech" outside the context of law?
- snaky 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_and_the_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_and_the_Law
  - abiox 10y ago
    does this book contend that there is a thing such as "freedom of speech" which exists outside law? what is the reasoning?

snaky 10y ago

Freedom is not about the law.

abiox 10y ago
conversely, it could be argued that freedom is only about the law.
- snaky 10y ago
  Really? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Law_in_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Law_in_Nazi_Germany
  - abiox 10y ago
    yes, really.
- mcphage 10y ago
  > it could be argued that freedom is only about the law Hmm. I'd like to hear those arguments, since by itself the notion doesn't sound particularly compelling.

ivraatiems 10y ago

You're right, but it does show an endemic lack of respect for the concept of free speech.

Karunamon 10y ago

No, it very definitely limits freedom of speech, it just fails to infringe the constitution. And a "privately-owned platform" that is open to the public, used by a nontrivial amount of people, advertised by the owners as a place for public discussion, quoted in the media, etc etc etc isn't so "private" anymore.

CM30 10y ago

Except online, all platforms are privately owned. Hence you often get de facto censorship. You can technically say something not allowed on those platforms, but then find there's no way to draw any attention to this content/those views. It's like living in a company town where anything the administration don't like isn't allowed. It's a problem with freedom of speech and private property in general, and why some people have considered the idea of treating large social platforms as closer to utilities rather than businesses.

st3v3r 10y ago
So don't go to those sites/platforms. And this isn't a case of "things the administration doesn't like", this is a case of breaking the clear rules and harassing other users.