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Well look I'm a big Tesla fan, too. When it comes for those _outside_ the vehicle the OP is right. Where I live I get engaged by Model Ss all the time in city t

by FrojoS 10y ago

Well look I'm a big Tesla fan, too. When it comes for those _outside_ the vehicle the OP is right. Where I live I get engaged by Model Ss all the time in city traffic, either on bike or on foot. For me, there is no noticeable difference between a _modern_ car and a Tesla when it comes to the noise level. Perhaps it's bias as I might expect the Tesla to be more quiet than it is, but anyway that's my perception.

samcheng 10y ago
Here's my experience outside the vehicle - I live about two miles from Tesla HQ in an area where electric vehicles of all types are common, and bike frequently in close proximity to motor vehicles. You're right that there is still noise, particularly from the tires, and that they are actually surprisingly loud if you are expecting silence (mostly tire noise, particularly when turning, plus a little high-pitched whine). But when accelerating from a stop, compared to a gas car or especially a truck, the difference is noticeable. No 'vroom' or 'rattle' or 'rumble.' Trucks in particular can be window-shakingly loud. Priuses are also nice and quiet...
- FrojoS 10y ago
  All true. Also important to note that it would be dangerous if the car was completely silent. Even if the car is autonomous and has a crazy smart AI, there can be accidents if people outside don't notice the car. Also, any car will spin up dust from the road that people outside breath up. I think, the only way to truly increase quality of life for pedestrian and bikers is to have zones and streets which are banned for cars, like many European city centers. Relevant illustration: http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/24948/to-a-pedestrian-a-roads-a-tiny-space-with-danger-just-beside/ http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/24948/to-a-pedestri...
  - WalterBright 10y ago
    I'm surprised that many areas in Seattle don't ban cars during business hours. There are many places in Europe that do that, except that they make just enough exceptions for this or that car that it still makes it hard to be a pedestrian.
robotresearcher 10y ago
At low speeds, it's not sedan cars that are a problem: even at idle, trucks and large SUVs are very loud, and accelerating from e.g. traffic lights they really roar. For busy city centers, quieting the trucks and buses (and goddam noisy-on-purpose motorcycles!) will make a big difference.

by FrojoS 10y ago

samcheng 10y ago

Here's my experience outside the vehicle - I live about two miles from Tesla HQ in an area where electric vehicles of all types are common, and bike frequently in close proximity to motor vehicles. You're right that there is still noise, particularly from the tires, and that they are actually surprisingly loud if you are expecting silence (mostly tire noise, particularly when turning, plus a little high-pitched whine). But when accelerating from a stop, compared to a gas car or especially a truck, the difference is noticeable. No 'vroom' or 'rattle' or 'rumble.' Trucks in particular can be window-shakingly loud. Priuses are also nice and quiet...

FrojoS 10y ago
All true. Also important to note that it would be dangerous if the car was completely silent. Even if the car is autonomous and has a crazy smart AI, there can be accidents if people outside don't notice the car. Also, any car will spin up dust from the road that people outside breath up. I think, the only way to truly increase quality of life for pedestrian and bikers is to have zones and streets which are banned for cars, like many European city centers. Relevant illustration: http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/24948/to-a-pedestrian-a-roads-a-tiny-space-with-danger-just-beside/ http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/24948/to-a-pedestri...
- WalterBright 10y ago
  I'm surprised that many areas in Seattle don't ban cars during business hours. There are many places in Europe that do that, except that they make just enough exceptions for this or that car that it still makes it hard to be a pedestrian.

robotresearcher 10y ago

At low speeds, it's not sedan cars that are a problem: even at idle, trucks and large SUVs are very loud, and accelerating from e.g. traffic lights they really roar. For busy city centers, quieting the trucks and buses (and goddam noisy-on-purpose motorcycles!) will make a big difference.