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The Leaf is still very popular despite the range. There are a few near me parked on the road, where there aren't even any charging points. Range anxiety will p

The Leaf is still very popular despite the range. There are a few near me parked on the road, where there aren't even any charging points. Range anxiety will probably decrease as charging infrastructure improves, so maybe this is less of an issue than it was. In principle there are already more places you could charge an EV than fill up a liquid fuel vehicle. It might just not be very practical or require a long cable getting in the way.

pilom 10y ago
In principle, sure, in practice, each liquid fueling station has multiple pumps each with a throughput of 1 vehicle every 3 or so minutes. Charging stations on the other hand usually just have one or two plugs with a throughput of 30 minutes/vehicle best case and 8 hours/vehicle worst case. It isn't even close in practice.
- kbenson 10y ago
  It's not quite that simple. Every person has a charging station at their house, almost nobody has a liquid fuel station at home. Every liquid fuel station customer is not necessarily someone that will need remote charging much of the time.
  - vkou 10y ago
    I don't have a charging station where I live. There are no power outlets in the shared garage. There are also no power outlets at any of the street parking spots my neighbors use.
    - kbenson 10y ago
      Yes, I was a bit hasty to say every person has a charging station at home. I knew there were cases where it wasn't going to be true, but wasn't thinking it would be as common as many assigned condo/apartment spaces. There are apparently laws popping up in states regarding the ability of tenants to put their own charging infrastructure[1] in place, but we would probably be better served by complexes putting in a few shared community stations (depending on size of complex). IMO, when there are more cheap electric options (maybe now?), this would be a good stimulus target. 1: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/17/business/la-fi-associations-20131117 http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/17/business/la-fi-assoc...
  - walrus01 10y ago
    Every person has a charging station? There are vast numbers of apartments in the world that have zero parking, it is all street parking. Look at capitol hill in Seattle for an example.
    - kbenson 10y ago
      Perhaps the discussion would be better served by attempting to look to see whether your point has already been made before commenting? In this case, it was, and I responded to it appropriately (which is to admit I was wrong).
    - thescriptkiddie 10y ago
      If you live in one of the most walkable neighborhoods in Seattle[0], why would you have a car at all, much less an electric one? [0] https://www.walkscore.com/WA/Seattle/Capitol_Hill https://www.walkscore.com/WA/Seattle/Capitol_Hill
      - vkou 10y ago
        Because there are people in my household who commute to work evenings in Issaquah and Everett.

pilom 10y ago

In principle, sure, in practice, each liquid fueling station has multiple pumps each with a throughput of 1 vehicle every 3 or so minutes. Charging stations on the other hand usually just have one or two plugs with a throughput of 30 minutes/vehicle best case and 8 hours/vehicle worst case. It isn't even close in practice.

kbenson 10y ago
It's not quite that simple. Every person has a charging station at their house, almost nobody has a liquid fuel station at home. Every liquid fuel station customer is not necessarily someone that will need remote charging much of the time.
- vkou 10y ago
  I don't have a charging station where I live. There are no power outlets in the shared garage. There are also no power outlets at any of the street parking spots my neighbors use.
  - kbenson 10y ago
    Yes, I was a bit hasty to say every person has a charging station at home. I knew there were cases where it wasn't going to be true, but wasn't thinking it would be as common as many assigned condo/apartment spaces. There are apparently laws popping up in states regarding the ability of tenants to put their own charging infrastructure[1] in place, but we would probably be better served by complexes putting in a few shared community stations (depending on size of complex). IMO, when there are more cheap electric options (maybe now?), this would be a good stimulus target. 1: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/17/business/la-fi-associations-20131117 http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/17/business/la-fi-assoc...
- walrus01 10y ago
  Every person has a charging station? There are vast numbers of apartments in the world that have zero parking, it is all street parking. Look at capitol hill in Seattle for an example.
  - kbenson 10y ago
    Perhaps the discussion would be better served by attempting to look to see whether your point has already been made before commenting? In this case, it was, and I responded to it appropriately (which is to admit I was wrong).
  - thescriptkiddie 10y ago
    If you live in one of the most walkable neighborhoods in Seattle[0], why would you have a car at all, much less an electric one? [0] https://www.walkscore.com/WA/Seattle/Capitol_Hill https://www.walkscore.com/WA/Seattle/Capitol_Hill
    - vkou 10y ago
      Because there are people in my household who commute to work evenings in Issaquah and Everett.