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Installed Ubuntu once, I can't help to notice that it tries too much to be macosx. I would rather keep using macbook, or use plain debian instead if installing

by chj 10y ago

Installed Ubuntu once, I can't help to notice that it tries too much to be macosx. I would rather keep using macbook, or use plain debian instead if installing wifi driver weren't a pain in the ass.

deno 10y ago
Give KDE a try! https://neon.kde.org/ https://neon.kde.org/
- cocotino 10y ago
  Plasma is as brittle as always. Years in and still is half finished. Like the developer rushed to implement the mockup so it looks good in screenshots, but then polished absolutely nothing about it.
  - deno 10y ago
    They’ve been through two technology changes, rebuilding basically from scratch every time. This (Plasma 5 and KDE Frameworks 5) feels like the final evolution stage. It’s gaining polish with every point release. Desktop search is finally quick. The UI stack (QML) is nimble and powerful. Breeze is the best looking flat design, both beautiful and clean. Even the default desktop wallpapers are gorgeous. The only thing remaining is the Akonadi legacy, which is being replaced. The rest is details. KDE is the best desktop Linux has to offer now, and it’s the best platform to build upon in the future.
    - prewett 10y ago
      If two technology changes is an excuse for unimplemented features, that sounds like some pretty unusable software to me. "The rest is details" was exactly the problem the parent was referring to. "Desktop search is finally quick"--I think most users would want it to be quick first, and then the devs can do whatever "technology changes" they want. I tried to like KDE, but every time I tried it, one of the first apps I tried would immediately crash. Plus it's default looked like a bad copy of Windows XP, which was a bad copy of the Mac, so it looked really bad. (That was a long time ago.) Unfortunately, GNOME looked nice, but had no features, so I just gave up and went to a bare window manager and realized I have no need for anything a DE offers. Then the problem became that sawfish became unsupported, and nothing else had the same customizability.
      - deno 10y ago
        Actually it was always quick, just the indexing sometimes would be a little resource intensive. I’m not going to claim KDE didn’t deserve that reputation in the past. The architectural changes are to blame, but they weren’t frivolous. You can’t build on shaky foundation. I also think it’s not fair to criticize it based on some snapshot from the past. You’ve seen the beta. It’s really good now!
      - chj 10y ago
        which window manager do you use?
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unixhero 10y ago
You must be a newbie. Nothing wrong with that. Install Linux Mint and everything works out of the box.
- umanwizard 10y ago
  I see comments like this every time someone complains about Linux usability. You really think just because something worked for you with no problems means anything other than you getting lucky? I've used Linux for over ten years, on dozens of machines. I'm not a newbie. And yes, it's horribly difficult and broken compared to OS X, unless you get lucky.
ungzd 10y ago
It tries to be NextStep.
- pjc50 10y ago
  I rather like GNUstep, or at least its window manager, but it's been kind of neglected.

by chj 10y ago

Installed Ubuntu once, I can't help to notice that it tries too much to be macosx. I would rather keep using macbook, or use plain debian instead if installing wifi driver weren't a pain in the ass.

deno 10y ago

Give KDE a try! https://neon.kde.org/ https://neon.kde.org/

cocotino 10y ago
Plasma is as brittle as always. Years in and still is half finished. Like the developer rushed to implement the mockup so it looks good in screenshots, but then polished absolutely nothing about it.
- deno 10y ago
  They’ve been through two technology changes, rebuilding basically from scratch every time. This (Plasma 5 and KDE Frameworks 5) feels like the final evolution stage. It’s gaining polish with every point release. Desktop search is finally quick. The UI stack (QML) is nimble and powerful. Breeze is the best looking flat design, both beautiful and clean. Even the default desktop wallpapers are gorgeous. The only thing remaining is the Akonadi legacy, which is being replaced. The rest is details. KDE is the best desktop Linux has to offer now, and it’s the best platform to build upon in the future.
  - prewett 10y ago
    If two technology changes is an excuse for unimplemented features, that sounds like some pretty unusable software to me. "The rest is details" was exactly the problem the parent was referring to. "Desktop search is finally quick"--I think most users would want it to be quick first, and then the devs can do whatever "technology changes" they want. I tried to like KDE, but every time I tried it, one of the first apps I tried would immediately crash. Plus it's default looked like a bad copy of Windows XP, which was a bad copy of the Mac, so it looked really bad. (That was a long time ago.) Unfortunately, GNOME looked nice, but had no features, so I just gave up and went to a bare window manager and realized I have no need for anything a DE offers. Then the problem became that sawfish became unsupported, and nothing else had the same customizability.
    - deno 10y ago
      Actually it was always quick, just the indexing sometimes would be a little resource intensive. I’m not going to claim KDE didn’t deserve that reputation in the past. The architectural changes are to blame, but they weren’t frivolous. You can’t build on shaky foundation. I also think it’s not fair to criticize it based on some snapshot from the past. You’ve seen the beta. It’s really good now!
    - chj 10y ago
      which window manager do you use?
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unixhero 10y ago

You must be a newbie. Nothing wrong with that. Install Linux Mint and everything works out of the box.

umanwizard 10y ago
I see comments like this every time someone complains about Linux usability. You really think just because something worked for you with no problems means anything other than you getting lucky? I've used Linux for over ten years, on dozens of machines. I'm not a newbie. And yes, it's horribly difficult and broken compared to OS X, unless you get lucky.

ungzd 10y ago

It tries to be NextStep.

pjc50 10y ago
I rather like GNUstep, or at least its window manager, but it's been kind of neglected.