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Does the computer generated music "compose" music based on music theory or by learning from other songs? Much like literature, music can be good because an arti
by lintroller 10y ago
Does the computer generated music "compose" music based on music theory or by learning from other songs? Much like literature, music can be good because an artist tastefully broke the rules and typical norms. A song-writing algorithm full of rule breaking will not necessarily create a song that fits the bill of "good" music.
- TheOtherHobbes 10y agoEven the basic rules turn out to be very complicated. Core elements are often cliched, but getting from a cliched chord sequence to a complete piece/song that captures the imagination of listeners is very much harder than it looks. I've seen an expert systems for generating counterpoint that used a grammar with more than a hundred separate production rules, and still failed to generate interesting bass lines. Interesting music is extremely non-trivial. Conversely, trivial algos used in trivial ways reliably produce trivial output.
- DefaultUserHN 10y ago>an artist tastefully broke the rules Tastefully. That's the biggest problem with computers.
- PeterisP 10y agoSure, that's the big problem in automation of many endeavours - we can automate things where it's objectively clear what's right and wrong, however if the criteria for "good X" is literally "X that humans would like" (e.g. all art) then you pretty much need a human in the loop, or try to simulate a human listener as opposed to a human composer. If we had a magical black box oracle that could tell us that variation A is "5 good" and variation B is "5.5 good", then that would be sufficient to implement a system that makes a lot of great art. But we don't, and possibly can't without strong AI or something like that.