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Part of the problem is that many power users have no other option. Many of us can't use Windows because we need our primary machine to be _nix for various reas

by sinatra 10y ago

Part of the problem is that many power users have no other option. Many of us can't use Windows because we need our primary machine to be _nix for various reasons (because our servers are Linux based, because we're used to the commands/tools from the _nix ecosystem, because configurations etc are easier to to understand and work with in the _nix ecosystem, etc). And many of us can't use Linux because there's no laptop that comes close to the power, portability, ease-of-use (think wifi, power options), screen, etc of Macbook Pro et al. Add to that the fact that many apps we need to use (Illustrator, Photoshop, Sketch, etc) don't run on Linux natively. So, even if you ignore the fact that the non-power-user is a much bigger market, there's no reason for Apple to focus heavily on power-users because we aren't going to go anywhere else.

giancarlostoro 10y ago
Dell sells an XPS laptop with Ubuntu Linux installed out of the box, then you have System 76 and other companies that focus on selling you Linux-only devices. I guess your main issue after that is application compatibility. I use a VM to run Visual Studio, which is the only non-Linux application I need, but I make due with Mono Develop to some extent.
- sinatra 10y ago
  Running a VM means I get the best of both Linux and Windows. I also get the worst of both Linux and Windows. I don't think OSX has gotten bad enough for me to go that route and be forced to manage two operating systems.
alyx 10y ago
Luckily for you, Windows 10 will support Ubuntu Bash natively (as part of the anniversary update). https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about
hellcow 10y ago
I've been using Macs for years and recently switched to Windows 10 as my primary dev device. Bash on Windows is almost as good as running on a Linux kernel, and it's not finished yet. Truly the only thing I miss is Sketch. Recent changes have made Windows very approachable/usable for a Linux and Mac power user.
- sinatra 10y ago
  Thanks for your feedback. Let me ask you a few more questions about your experience. The _nix commands/tools you're used to don't just start and end with Bash, right? What about the other commands/tools you used that still aren't in Windows? Do you spend a majority of your time in the command line in Win10 and you still don't feel limited by it? What about the horrible registry hell? Don't you sometimes need to go into the magical world of #RANDOMWORD1>#RANDOMWORD2>#RANDOMWORD3>... in the registry editor to make Windows behave the way you want to? Does Windows still automatically reboot for security updates, ignoring whatever else you might have running on the machine?
  - KurtMueller 10y ago
    In my personal experience regarding your last question, the security updates on my Surface Pro 4 have always asked me if I wanted to restart my machine or delay it til off hours (anywhere from 12-5am). I've also been offered to schedule when restarts occur.
    - Daneel_ 10y ago
      Seconded. I was a fairly early adopter of Windows 10, and the updates have never been an issue for me. I changed the update setting to 'notify to schedule restarts' and it's always prompted me to schedule it myself, rather than just doing it when it thinks I won't be using the computer. It's that simple. The only windows thing I changed is to use Classic Shell instead of the new start menu - other than that, it's fantastic, and a good evolution to windows 7. Going back feels like going back to XP.
      - scholia 10y ago
        With the new Anniversary Update you can set Active Hours when Windows 10 won't attempt any updates at all....
  - rodgerd 10y ago
    > The _nix commands/tools you're used to don't just start and end with Bash, right? What about the other commands/tools you used that still aren't in Windows? bash on Windows is a full distro wrapped in lxrun. tmux works, nginx works, most things you apt-get from the Ubuntu repos Just Work. That alone places is far ahead of fucking around with ports or homebrew or whichever unholy combination you're trying on OS X. And, if you use Ubuntu on the server (or are prepared to hack around replacing Ubuntu on Windows with your preferred distro) is a much better match for your runtime. > What about the horrible registry hell? The last time I had to care about the registry was Windows 2000.

by sinatra 10y ago

giancarlostoro 10y ago

Dell sells an XPS laptop with Ubuntu Linux installed out of the box, then you have System 76 and other companies that focus on selling you Linux-only devices. I guess your main issue after that is application compatibility. I use a VM to run Visual Studio, which is the only non-Linux application I need, but I make due with Mono Develop to some extent.

sinatra 10y ago
Running a VM means I get the best of both Linux and Windows. I also get the worst of both Linux and Windows. I don't think OSX has gotten bad enough for me to go that route and be forced to manage two operating systems.

alyx 10y ago

Luckily for you, Windows 10 will support Ubuntu Bash natively (as part of the anniversary update). https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about

hellcow 10y ago

I've been using Macs for years and recently switched to Windows 10 as my primary dev device. Bash on Windows is almost as good as running on a Linux kernel, and it's not finished yet. Truly the only thing I miss is Sketch. Recent changes have made Windows very approachable/usable for a Linux and Mac power user.

sinatra 10y ago
Thanks for your feedback. Let me ask you a few more questions about your experience. The _nix commands/tools you're used to don't just start and end with Bash, right? What about the other commands/tools you used that still aren't in Windows? Do you spend a majority of your time in the command line in Win10 and you still don't feel limited by it? What about the horrible registry hell? Don't you sometimes need to go into the magical world of #RANDOMWORD1>#RANDOMWORD2>#RANDOMWORD3>... in the registry editor to make Windows behave the way you want to? Does Windows still automatically reboot for security updates, ignoring whatever else you might have running on the machine?
- KurtMueller 10y ago
  In my personal experience regarding your last question, the security updates on my Surface Pro 4 have always asked me if I wanted to restart my machine or delay it til off hours (anywhere from 12-5am). I've also been offered to schedule when restarts occur.
  - Daneel_ 10y ago
    Seconded. I was a fairly early adopter of Windows 10, and the updates have never been an issue for me. I changed the update setting to 'notify to schedule restarts' and it's always prompted me to schedule it myself, rather than just doing it when it thinks I won't be using the computer. It's that simple. The only windows thing I changed is to use Classic Shell instead of the new start menu - other than that, it's fantastic, and a good evolution to windows 7. Going back feels like going back to XP.
    - scholia 10y ago
      With the new Anniversary Update you can set Active Hours when Windows 10 won't attempt any updates at all....
- rodgerd 10y ago
  > The _nix commands/tools you're used to don't just start and end with Bash, right? What about the other commands/tools you used that still aren't in Windows? bash on Windows is a full distro wrapped in lxrun. tmux works, nginx works, most things you apt-get from the Ubuntu repos Just Work. That alone places is far ahead of fucking around with ports or homebrew or whichever unholy combination you're trying on OS X. And, if you use Ubuntu on the server (or are prepared to hack around replacing Ubuntu on Windows with your preferred distro) is a much better match for your runtime. > What about the horrible registry hell? The last time I had to care about the registry was Windows 2000.