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100% agree with this article - I also don't know how more people aren't in the chiropractor's office weekly. I went through a particularly intense period of wor

100% agree with this article - I also don't know how more people aren't in the chiropractor's office weekly. I went through a particularly intense period of working on my laptop and it resulted in a neck spasm so sever it was like daggers trying to move my neck. The doctor prescribed Vicodin it was that bad. But only when I went in for a series of chiropractic sessions did I improve my neck at the source. Thankfully now I'm more aware of just how important it is to not crane the neck, and I catch myself if I do it for more than 15 minutes at a time. It definitely is becoming an epidemic, and there needs to be a lot more public awareness around this. Not everyone can afford multiple chiro sessions a week for weeks at a time to correct something preventable!

yodsanklai 10y ago
> I also don't know how more people aren't in the chiropractor's office weekly Maybe because there are no evidence that it's effective. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/chiropractic/ https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/chiropractic/
- gooseus 10y ago
  Chiropractors don't fall just into "straights" and "mixers", there are entire schools which focus on evidence-based biomechanic adjustments and others that get way more woo-woo about it with energy healing and whatnot. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/science-based-chiropractic-an-oxymoron/ https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/science-based-chiroprac... That guy spent years being a chiropractor and while he acknowledges that the postulates of vertebral subluxation theory is implausible, he was also able to spend years helping people with spinal manipulations working as a chiropractor. It was only until recently that physical therapists began doing adjustments which began competing with chiropractics Like with anything, there are good and bad actors and even a bad actor may help people even if their justification for why something is helping is fundamentally flawed. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
  - dpark 10y ago
    > That guy spent years being a chiropractor and while he acknowledges that the postulates of vertebral subluxation theory is implausible, he was also able to spend years helping people with spinal manipulations working as a chiropractor. Did he help them or did he deliver placebos? "Most cases of back pain are self limiting, and spinal manipulation is not often more effective than other physical treatment modalities in affecting the final outcome." > Like with anything, there are good and bad actors and even a bad actor may help people even if their justification for why something is helping is fundamentally flawed. Is there actual science supporting the claims? Not the mechanism claims, which are clearly bullshit. Is there even any support in the science for the claims of effectiveness?
    - gooseus 10y ago
      Effectiveness in treating what? And what do you mean when you say chiropractics? You want a study on effectiveness in treating asthma or deafness, then it's probably not available. Effectiveness in treating something like scoliiosis? Yep, there is a study for that[1]. How about headaches? Seems to be some positive research on it[2]. Now I'm no scientist or statistician and there are also studies point to non-effectiveness in things like lower back-pain[3], yet even that study acknowledges that it's difficult to ascertain since most chiropractic packages aren't limited to simply adjustments. I find it interesting how many people denounce sweeping generalizations when it comes to programming paradigms and approaches to infrastructure and application development... yet still fall victim to it when it's a topic outside their domain. We're still just talking about problem solving here, so how come it's not a matter of defining the problem and assessing each approach in context of that problem? [1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3259989/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3259989/ [2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8775024 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8775024 [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447290/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447290/
- baby 10y ago
  I keep reading that, and then I keep reading about people who actually had good experiences with chiropractors. This thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/4ug8vw/this_chiropractor_fixes_teens_back_after_pulling/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/4ug8vw/this_chiropr... You can see a clear divide. It's far from the homeopathy agreement that it's bullshit. It also seems like most people arguing against chiropractors have never experienced even a good massage and its benefits.
  - yodsanklai 10y ago
    > I keep reading that, and then I keep reading about people who actually had good experiences with chiropractors. Many people had good experience with horoscope or homeopathy and so on... I think any reasonable discussion shouldn't be based on personal anecdotes but on serious scientific protocols. > It's far from the homeopathy agreement that it's bullshit. It also seems like most people arguing against chiropractors have never experienced even a good massage and its benefits. I'm certainly not saying that all manual therapies are bullshit. Chiropractic doesn't equate to manual therapy.
- ryanmarsh 10y ago
  Oh Jesus. Take that elsewhere. Chiropractors make a big difference for plenty people. Also the practice dates back centuries before Dr. Palmer. Without Chiropractors and PT's who incorporate it into their practice there'd be a lot more people on opiates. I cannot get over this kind of unhelpful bullshit.
  - pjlegato 10y ago
    > make a big difference for plenty of people... The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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rbutler 10y ago
Maybe because of the baby whose neck was broken [1], 6-year old who had a stroke [2], and 30-year old killed [3], all at the hands of chiropractors. [1] http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/9223578/Chiropractor-breaks-babys-neck http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/9223578/Chiropractor-... [2] https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/chiropractic-manipulation-of-the-neck-linked-to-stroke-in-a-6-year-old-child/ https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/chiropractic-manipulati... [3] https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/stroke-death-from-chiropractic-neck-manipulation/ https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/stroke-death-from-chiro...
- gooseus 10y ago
  Yeah, I don't know why people get surgery considering perioperative mortality[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perioperative_mortality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perioperative_mortality /s Obviously people die all the time and the cause of death can be attributed to any number of activities that are otherwise beneficial to the vast majority of people who undertake them.
  - d0lph 10y ago
    There is a difference between a surgery removing a brain tumor and someone jerking your neck left and right due to some neck pain.
    - gooseus 10y ago
      True, but your bias is showing. There is also a difference between anaesthetizing someone to slice them open for an elective hip procedure vs having someone analyze your biomechanics and work to correct that through subtle lowerback/hip adjustments and strengthening supporting muscles through various exercises. We could spend days going back and forth like this but it really boils down to you us having different ideas of what we're talking about when we say "chiropractics". I get the sense you've either never been to one, or else you went to a shitty one.
- chatmasta 10y ago
  Who brings their baby to a chiropractor?

yodsanklai 10y ago

> I also don't know how more people aren't in the chiropractor's office weekly Maybe because there are no evidence that it's effective. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/chiropractic/ https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/chiropractic/

gooseus 10y ago
Chiropractors don't fall just into "straights" and "mixers", there are entire schools which focus on evidence-based biomechanic adjustments and others that get way more woo-woo about it with energy healing and whatnot. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/science-based-chiropractic-an-oxymoron/ https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/science-based-chiroprac... That guy spent years being a chiropractor and while he acknowledges that the postulates of vertebral subluxation theory is implausible, he was also able to spend years helping people with spinal manipulations working as a chiropractor. It was only until recently that physical therapists began doing adjustments which began competing with chiropractics Like with anything, there are good and bad actors and even a bad actor may help people even if their justification for why something is helping is fundamentally flawed. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
- dpark 10y ago
  > That guy spent years being a chiropractor and while he acknowledges that the postulates of vertebral subluxation theory is implausible, he was also able to spend years helping people with spinal manipulations working as a chiropractor. Did he help them or did he deliver placebos? "Most cases of back pain are self limiting, and spinal manipulation is not often more effective than other physical treatment modalities in affecting the final outcome." > Like with anything, there are good and bad actors and even a bad actor may help people even if their justification for why something is helping is fundamentally flawed. Is there actual science supporting the claims? Not the mechanism claims, which are clearly bullshit. Is there even any support in the science for the claims of effectiveness?
  - gooseus 10y ago
    Effectiveness in treating what? And what do you mean when you say chiropractics? You want a study on effectiveness in treating asthma or deafness, then it's probably not available. Effectiveness in treating something like scoliiosis? Yep, there is a study for that[1]. How about headaches? Seems to be some positive research on it[2]. Now I'm no scientist or statistician and there are also studies point to non-effectiveness in things like lower back-pain[3], yet even that study acknowledges that it's difficult to ascertain since most chiropractic packages aren't limited to simply adjustments. I find it interesting how many people denounce sweeping generalizations when it comes to programming paradigms and approaches to infrastructure and application development... yet still fall victim to it when it's a topic outside their domain. We're still just talking about problem solving here, so how come it's not a matter of defining the problem and assessing each approach in context of that problem? [1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3259989/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3259989/ [2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8775024 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8775024 [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447290/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447290/
baby 10y ago
I keep reading that, and then I keep reading about people who actually had good experiences with chiropractors. This thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/4ug8vw/this_chiropractor_fixes_teens_back_after_pulling/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/4ug8vw/this_chiropr... You can see a clear divide. It's far from the homeopathy agreement that it's bullshit. It also seems like most people arguing against chiropractors have never experienced even a good massage and its benefits.
- yodsanklai 10y ago
  > I keep reading that, and then I keep reading about people who actually had good experiences with chiropractors. Many people had good experience with horoscope or homeopathy and so on... I think any reasonable discussion shouldn't be based on personal anecdotes but on serious scientific protocols. > It's far from the homeopathy agreement that it's bullshit. It also seems like most people arguing against chiropractors have never experienced even a good massage and its benefits. I'm certainly not saying that all manual therapies are bullshit. Chiropractic doesn't equate to manual therapy.
ryanmarsh 10y ago
Oh Jesus. Take that elsewhere. Chiropractors make a big difference for plenty people. Also the practice dates back centuries before Dr. Palmer. Without Chiropractors and PT's who incorporate it into their practice there'd be a lot more people on opiates. I cannot get over this kind of unhelpful bullshit.
- pjlegato 10y ago
  > make a big difference for plenty of people... The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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rbutler 10y ago

Maybe because of the baby whose neck was broken [1], 6-year old who had a stroke [2], and 30-year old killed [3], all at the hands of chiropractors. [1] http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/9223578/Chiropractor-breaks-babys-neck http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/9223578/Chiropractor-... [2] https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/chiropractic-manipulation-of-the-neck-linked-to-stroke-in-a-6-year-old-child/ https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/chiropractic-manipulati... [3] https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/stroke-death-from-chiropractic-neck-manipulation/ https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/stroke-death-from-chiro...

gooseus 10y ago
Yeah, I don't know why people get surgery considering perioperative mortality[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perioperative_mortality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perioperative_mortality /s Obviously people die all the time and the cause of death can be attributed to any number of activities that are otherwise beneficial to the vast majority of people who undertake them.
- d0lph 10y ago
  There is a difference between a surgery removing a brain tumor and someone jerking your neck left and right due to some neck pain.
  - gooseus 10y ago
    True, but your bias is showing. There is also a difference between anaesthetizing someone to slice them open for an elective hip procedure vs having someone analyze your biomechanics and work to correct that through subtle lowerback/hip adjustments and strengthening supporting muscles through various exercises. We could spend days going back and forth like this but it really boils down to you us having different ideas of what we're talking about when we say "chiropractics". I get the sense you've either never been to one, or else you went to a shitty one.
chatmasta 10y ago
Who brings their baby to a chiropractor?