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> because Apple has demonstrated it just can't do services "In Fiscal 2015, the Services bin, “revenue from the iTunes Store ® , App Store, Mac App Store, iBoo

> because Apple has demonstrated it just can't do services "In Fiscal 2015, the Services bin, “revenue from the iTunes Store ® , App Store, Mac App Store, iBooks StoreTM and Apple MusicTM (collectively “Internet Services”), AppleCare, Apple Pay ® , licensing and other services” counted for $19.9B, 8.5% of the company total." http://archive.mondaynote.com/2016/01/25/watching-apples-first-fiscal-2016-quarter/ http://archive.mondaynote.com/2016/01/25/watching-apples-fir...

FireBeyond 10y ago
People in this thread are talking about the "bullshit" of existing cars and how the AppleCar will be a "come to Jesus" moment. Pointing to revenue as proof of success is a bad metric here. Great, the App and Mac App Store make lots of money, not the least because one of them is the only way for anyone to make revenue from iOS. No-one could point to MAS, for example, and pretend with a straight face that it's a "service done right" for anyone except Apple's bottom line.
- tjl 10y ago
  I can point to one service Apple has done right, Messages.
  - cocoflunchy 10y ago
    I just switched to iOS and the part I like the least has to be iMessage... it sucks. It will always try to send a message over HTTP even when you're in the subway instead of sending over SMS and not realize that it's an issue and just getting stuck halfway through sending.
  - sangnoir 10y ago
    > I can point to one service Apple has done right, Messages Is it the same message that for many years disappeared all message sent to you when you switched from Apple? Perhaps as a final "fuck you" for leaving our ecosystem or them not just caring
- smcnally 10y ago
  You're right. I didn't address the primary issue. And Apple's services have plenty of room for improvement. Making US$20BN in revenue gives runway to make those improvements. The other US$200BN+ / year and cash warchest means they're able and willing to make new markets. Even if their car doesn't work, they'll be worth watching. Cars can be much better than they are, and I welcome the competition.

FireBeyond 10y ago

People in this thread are talking about the "bullshit" of existing cars and how the AppleCar will be a "come to Jesus" moment. Pointing to revenue as proof of success is a bad metric here. Great, the App and Mac App Store make lots of money, not the least because one of them is the only way for anyone to make revenue from iOS. No-one could point to MAS, for example, and pretend with a straight face that it's a "service done right" for anyone except Apple's bottom line.

tjl 10y ago
I can point to one service Apple has done right, Messages.
- cocoflunchy 10y ago
  I just switched to iOS and the part I like the least has to be iMessage... it sucks. It will always try to send a message over HTTP even when you're in the subway instead of sending over SMS and not realize that it's an issue and just getting stuck halfway through sending.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  > I can point to one service Apple has done right, Messages Is it the same message that for many years disappeared all message sent to you when you switched from Apple? Perhaps as a final "fuck you" for leaving our ecosystem or them not just caring
smcnally 10y ago
You're right. I didn't address the primary issue. And Apple's services have plenty of room for improvement. Making US$20BN in revenue gives runway to make those improvements. The other US$200BN+ / year and cash warchest means they're able and willing to make new markets. Even if their car doesn't work, they'll be worth watching. Cars can be much better than they are, and I welcome the competition.