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> You're plainly layering a bunch of your own stuff on top of my argument. There is baggage associated with your argument, and it didn't originate from me. Yo

> You're plainly layering a bunch of your own stuff on top of my argument. There is baggage associated with your argument, and it didn't originate from me. You can't deny that. What you can do is acknowledge the baggage and disavow it. You have not done so, which leads me to suspect that you might be comfortable with the baggage. As far as I can tell, all you have contributed to this conversation are the assertions that inherent racial differences "almost certainly" exist and that those who disagree have a world view that is inconsistent with universal basic rights, followed by affectedly exasperated claims that anyone who disagrees with you is simply too encumbered by hang-ups and complexes to understand your reality. Do you understand that even if your position is genuinely non-racist, you have completely failed to communicate that? Part of communication is recognizing the broader context in which our words will be interpreted and addressing that context. We do not have the privilege of communicating in a vacuum. Put another way, and charitably assuming that you are not a white supremacist, what's different between what you have said and what a white supremacist would say if they were trying to be oblique about it?

dionidium 10y ago
I was responding to this original assertion: > once we start thinking that one is better than the other, we get hierarchy, and we get superiority ...with a rebuttal that argues against drawing that conclusion on the basis that uncomfortable discoveries do not imply a hierarchy. In other words -- and note how absurd this is -- you're saying that my position, which is that differences need not and should not imply a hierarchy, implies not only that I do think there is a hierarchy, but that it's a hierarchy with whites on top. You drew the exact opposite conclusion from very plain words. Bluntly: the game you're playing -- you're a white supremacist until you say otherwise! -- is gross. I've said absolutely nothing to imply that I am one. (Again, I actually said exactly the opposite.) Your attempt to hold me hostage is absurd. And before you respond that I still haven't denied it: Knock it off. This is not how adults disagree.
- delazeur 10y ago
  > Bluntly: the game you're playing -- you're a white supremacist until you say otherwise! -- is gross. I've said absolutely nothing to imply that I am one. Your attempt to hold me hostage is absurd. I think I've been fairly clear about what I'm saying, and that's not it. What I am saying is that you are either a white supremacist or a terrible communicator. Frankly I'm surprised you are willing to toe the line this closely with an account that is personally identifiable. > And before you respond that I still haven't denied it: Knock it off. This is not how adults disagree. Mr. Burkett, you have littered this thread with short, asinine replies that carefully avoid engaging with anyone's arguments. You are not in a position to be accusing anyone of childishness.
  - dionidium 10y ago
    >Frankly I'm surprised you are willing to toe the line this closely with an account that is personally identifiable. It's only surprising to you because you're ascribing to me views I don't hold. Second, though my details are in my profile, your use of my name is clearly meant to be threatening and is therefore over the line. A comment like that is simply out of line.
    - delazeur 10y ago
      > It's only surprising to you because you're ascribing to me views I don't hold. Fine, you're just a terrible communicator then. > Second, though my details are in my profile, your use of my name is clearly meant to be threatening and is therefore over the line. Bullshit. For a guy who demands that everything he writes be taken 100% literally, you sure are quick to read extraneous meaning into what I wrote.
      - dang 10y ago
        You've both broken the HN guidelines egregiously in this thread. That's unacceptable. Please stop, and please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

dionidium 10y ago

I was responding to this original assertion: > once we start thinking that one is better than the other, we get hierarchy, and we get superiority ...with a rebuttal that argues against drawing that conclusion on the basis that uncomfortable discoveries do not imply a hierarchy. In other words -- and note how absurd this is -- you're saying that my position, which is that differences need not and should not imply a hierarchy, implies not only that I do think there is a hierarchy, but that it's a hierarchy with whites on top. You drew the exact opposite conclusion from very plain words. Bluntly: the game you're playing -- you're a white supremacist until you say otherwise! -- is gross. I've said absolutely nothing to imply that I am one. (Again, I actually said exactly the opposite.) Your attempt to hold me hostage is absurd. And before you respond that I still haven't denied it: Knock it off. This is not how adults disagree.

delazeur 10y ago
> Bluntly: the game you're playing -- you're a white supremacist until you say otherwise! -- is gross. I've said absolutely nothing to imply that I am one. Your attempt to hold me hostage is absurd. I think I've been fairly clear about what I'm saying, and that's not it. What I am saying is that you are either a white supremacist or a terrible communicator. Frankly I'm surprised you are willing to toe the line this closely with an account that is personally identifiable. > And before you respond that I still haven't denied it: Knock it off. This is not how adults disagree. Mr. Burkett, you have littered this thread with short, asinine replies that carefully avoid engaging with anyone's arguments. You are not in a position to be accusing anyone of childishness.
- dionidium 10y ago
  >Frankly I'm surprised you are willing to toe the line this closely with an account that is personally identifiable. It's only surprising to you because you're ascribing to me views I don't hold. Second, though my details are in my profile, your use of my name is clearly meant to be threatening and is therefore over the line. A comment like that is simply out of line.
  - delazeur 10y ago
    > It's only surprising to you because you're ascribing to me views I don't hold. Fine, you're just a terrible communicator then. > Second, though my details are in my profile, your use of my name is clearly meant to be threatening and is therefore over the line. Bullshit. For a guy who demands that everything he writes be taken 100% literally, you sure are quick to read extraneous meaning into what I wrote.
    - dang 10y ago
      You've both broken the HN guidelines egregiously in this thread. That's unacceptable. Please stop, and please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html