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here, i will spell it out for you, as the article so carelessly evaded: the nail that stands out is hammered down people HATE those who are creative (don't bo

here, i will spell it out for you, as the article so carelessly evaded: the nail that stands out is hammered down people HATE those who are creative (don't bother with your counter-example to my blanket statement; it isn't relevant) and make a mess out of them from an early age. it also doesn't help that creative types tend to be eccentric; once again, the nail that stands out is hammered down. being hammered down results in depression/sadness that coexists with other difficulties like losing loved ones etc.

rak00n 10y ago
Thats true for Asian countries. Do you think that holds true for Western civilization or Silicon Valley?
- cryoshon 10y ago
  SV is just like all other subcultures: a dynamic equilibrium of proper social signalling is necessary to be accepted and avoid ostracization. layer on enough social overhead and independent thought has no cognitive space to dwell. sure, that doesn't explicitly prevent creative people from excelling, but it certainly chokes out or chills a lot of the people in between average and brilliant. stepping out of line is just as dangerous in SV as ever when people are trying to mentally draw invisible lines between what is tepidly "disruptive" and what is genuinely subversive or abnormal. the same could be said of the wider american culture, in which certain segments value signalling of faux "edginess" while still living in terror of actual contradiction of the status quo. what do these things have to do with creativity, you may ask? making new stuff is perceived on some level as an attack on the old stuff-- and that old stuff is held onto with a deathgrip.
ikeyany 10y ago
Thank you for a nice dose of reality in this thread. What you say is especially true for those who are gifted, but for whatever reason (whether it's a negative family life, a backwards school system, the natural need to fit it among less creative peers, etc.) get the creativity and the spark for life stamped out of their head before they experience enough of the world to truly realize their potential.

rak00n 10y ago

Thats true for Asian countries. Do you think that holds true for Western civilization or Silicon Valley?

cryoshon 10y ago
SV is just like all other subcultures: a dynamic equilibrium of proper social signalling is necessary to be accepted and avoid ostracization. layer on enough social overhead and independent thought has no cognitive space to dwell. sure, that doesn't explicitly prevent creative people from excelling, but it certainly chokes out or chills a lot of the people in between average and brilliant. stepping out of line is just as dangerous in SV as ever when people are trying to mentally draw invisible lines between what is tepidly "disruptive" and what is genuinely subversive or abnormal. the same could be said of the wider american culture, in which certain segments value signalling of faux "edginess" while still living in terror of actual contradiction of the status quo. what do these things have to do with creativity, you may ask? making new stuff is perceived on some level as an attack on the old stuff-- and that old stuff is held onto with a deathgrip.

ikeyany 10y ago

Thank you for a nice dose of reality in this thread. What you say is especially true for those who are gifted, but for whatever reason (whether it's a negative family life, a backwards school system, the natural need to fit it among less creative peers, etc.) get the creativity and the spark for life stamped out of their head before they experience enough of the world to truly realize their potential.