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I'm interested in how that kind of thing prevails. Is it because the purpose of the lie is just to get past HR screening, and after that competent people just l

by dasboth 10y ago

I'm interested in how that kind of thing prevails. Is it because the purpose of the lie is just to get past HR screening, and after that competent people just learn the language they lied about on their CV? I can't imagine that would work though, I mean how does someone get past a technical interview with a fake CV?

logfromblammo 10y ago
That will get you a job in the short term, but isn't great for a career that will last until retirement. But as far as I can tell, the candidate crams for the tech screen, learns the basics between offer letter and start date, and picks up the rest as they work. The dirty little secret is that nobody actually needs any specific experience to do the job. You just need a decent brain and an Internet connection, and just enough people skills to fake it until you make it. But it probably works better in larger organizations, where none of the people who would be able to detect the deception are involved in the interview process. You don't need to fool your peers if you can fool your boss. It never would have worked in any of the smaller companies that I have interviewed with, as they have all (perhaps coincidentally) been ultra-paranoid about resume frauds, for some reason.
- dasboth 10y ago
  The dirty little secret is that nobody actually needs any specific experience to do the job. You just need a decent brain and an Internet connection, and just enough people skills to fake it until you make it. Very true, and this is why these keyword searches are so absurd. It wouldn't be difficult to setup the entire hiring process (applications as well as interviews) around that dirty little secret.
superuser2 10y ago
Consulting companies may need to inflate staff CVs to be competitive with other consulting companies in the eyes of clients, even if they internally know it's bullshit.
danielweber 10y ago
There are lots of people who really want to be lied to. I've worked with a fair number. They refused to deal with people except those that told unreasonable lies. The results were never good. But they were satisfied with the results because "it's not my fault. That person lied to me."
IndianAstronaut 10y ago
It happens at major companies as well. A friend's younger brother got into Chase bank as a Java dev after listing 6 years of Java experience. He had zero years of experience and was only 24. Makes me skeptical to store money with chase.

by dasboth 10y ago

logfromblammo 10y ago

That will get you a job in the short term, but isn't great for a career that will last until retirement. But as far as I can tell, the candidate crams for the tech screen, learns the basics between offer letter and start date, and picks up the rest as they work. The dirty little secret is that nobody actually needs any specific experience to do the job. You just need a decent brain and an Internet connection, and just enough people skills to fake it until you make it. But it probably works better in larger organizations, where none of the people who would be able to detect the deception are involved in the interview process. You don't need to fool your peers if you can fool your boss. It never would have worked in any of the smaller companies that I have interviewed with, as they have all (perhaps coincidentally) been ultra-paranoid about resume frauds, for some reason.

dasboth 10y ago
The dirty little secret is that nobody actually needs any specific experience to do the job. You just need a decent brain and an Internet connection, and just enough people skills to fake it until you make it. Very true, and this is why these keyword searches are so absurd. It wouldn't be difficult to setup the entire hiring process (applications as well as interviews) around that dirty little secret.

superuser2 10y ago

Consulting companies may need to inflate staff CVs to be competitive with other consulting companies in the eyes of clients, even if they internally know it's bullshit.

danielweber 10y ago

There are lots of people who really want to be lied to. I've worked with a fair number. They refused to deal with people except those that told unreasonable lies. The results were never good. But they were satisfied with the results because "it's not my fault. That person lied to me."

IndianAstronaut 10y ago

It happens at major companies as well. A friend's younger brother got into Chase bank as a Java dev after listing 6 years of Java experience. He had zero years of experience and was only 24. Makes me skeptical to store money with chase.