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I 'm pretty convinced that most people people do not support trump for what he claims he will do. He seems so unpredictable that nobody can believe what he says

by return0 10y ago

I 'm pretty convinced that most people people do not support trump for what he claims he will do. He seems so unpredictable that nobody can believe what he says. What seems to resonate more is his confidence, and his risk-taking ability vs the very predictable, but very unlikeable Hillary. No amount of quote-listing or fact-checking is going to change their minds.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago
There are at least two third-party candidates in the race. Last I heard, the Libertarian candidate (for those on the Right) has been polling almost well enough to get into the official debate cycle.
karmelapple 10y ago
Agreed that no amount of quote-listing or fact-checking will change some Trump supporters' minds. However, let's be clear: there are people who very much DO believe he will do what he says. I know plenty of people who want - and believe he will - follow through on his ban on Muslims immigrating into the USA (they always remind me it's temporary, until we "figure out what's going on," assuming our immigration services have no idea what they are doing), and build a wall because they feel that's as good as anything to deter people. People truly believe he will do as he claims. Those of us who think "no way someone can believe that" should be incredibly careful and put down a vote for someone other than him this fall, rather than thinking "oh there's no way he would do all that, right?" Many people voting him in actively WANT him to do many of his more controversial things.
- return0 10y ago
  There is everywhere a large (and dumb) part of the electorate. They rarely revolt after elections though, unless they have guidance.
Xylakant 10y ago
I agree that there is a large chunk of Trump supporters that will not be swayed by fact-checking. However that's still a vastly important thing to do because they goal is not to sway those that are unreachable already but rather to sway the chunk that still can be reached. On a larger picture: I regard the fact that a large chunk of people by now seem oblivious to facts and unreachable for civilized dialogue as the threatening streak in the last major votes, see brexit, see the rise of the AFD in germany. The crucial question for the next coming years will in my opinion be how we can enter a reasonable discourse with people that see every statement as a bipartisan issue that must be decided on principle, regard all measured statements as lies and political correctness and are unwilling to compromise on anything. We live in interesting times indeed.
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serge2k 10y ago
Cult of personality.

by return0 10y ago

eli_gottlieb 10y ago

There are at least two third-party candidates in the race. Last I heard, the Libertarian candidate (for those on the Right) has been polling almost well enough to get into the official debate cycle.

karmelapple 10y ago

Agreed that no amount of quote-listing or fact-checking will change some Trump supporters' minds. However, let's be clear: there are people who very much DO believe he will do what he says. I know plenty of people who want - and believe he will - follow through on his ban on Muslims immigrating into the USA (they always remind me it's temporary, until we "figure out what's going on," assuming our immigration services have no idea what they are doing), and build a wall because they feel that's as good as anything to deter people. People truly believe he will do as he claims. Those of us who think "no way someone can believe that" should be incredibly careful and put down a vote for someone other than him this fall, rather than thinking "oh there's no way he would do all that, right?" Many people voting him in actively WANT him to do many of his more controversial things.

return0 10y ago
There is everywhere a large (and dumb) part of the electorate. They rarely revolt after elections though, unless they have guidance.

Xylakant 10y ago

I agree that there is a large chunk of Trump supporters that will not be swayed by fact-checking. However that's still a vastly important thing to do because they goal is not to sway those that are unreachable already but rather to sway the chunk that still can be reached. On a larger picture: I regard the fact that a large chunk of people by now seem oblivious to facts and unreachable for civilized dialogue as the threatening streak in the last major votes, see brexit, see the rise of the AFD in germany. The crucial question for the next coming years will in my opinion be how we can enter a reasonable discourse with people that see every statement as a bipartisan issue that must be decided on principle, regard all measured statements as lies and political correctness and are unwilling to compromise on anything. We live in interesting times indeed.

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serge2k 10y ago

Cult of personality.