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Also, this is the last release of Emacs for which RMS will be the maintainer. He's been the principal maintainer on and off since 1976, so he's probably earned

Also, this is the last release of Emacs for which RMS will be the maintainer. He's been the principal maintainer on and off since 1976, so he's probably earned a rest.

lispm 10y ago
I was under the impression that GNU Emacs did not exist in 1976. How did he maintain it then?
- grabcocque 10y ago
  First version, such as it was, is older than me.
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - throwanem 10y ago
    Wrap that link in a referer stripper, please. Otherwise it redirects to a NSFW expression of jwz's low regard for Hacker News.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  He was the principal maintainer of the original EMACS before GNU Emacs. Back when EMACS actually stood for Editor MACroS, and was hacked onto TECO.
  - lispm 10y ago
    > Also, this is the last release of Emacs for which RMS will be the maintainer. He's been the principal maintainer on and off since 1976, so he's probably earned a rest. 'Emacs' is not a single line of editor which Stallman maintains. Emacs is a whole class of editors. http://www.finseth.com/emacs.html http://www.finseth.com/emacs.html
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      You can complain, but for most of us, emacs means either: A) A family of editors B) Editor MACroS, a collection of TECO extensions written by various members of the MIT AI lab, and maintained by RMS. C) GNU Emacs, a powerful text editor that was based on EMACS that is written in a combination of C and its own dialect of Lisp. In this case, it's obvious that they mean B or C, or both. RMS isn't quite crazy enough to seriously claim he wrote every Emacs. Yet. ;) In short, it's obvious what they meant, stop being such a pedant.
      - lispm 10y ago
        No, it's not obvious. Stating that Stallman maintained Emacs since 1976 is misleading. Give the proper respect to the other Emacs authors/maintainers.
        qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        Well, considering that this is a Stallman maintained Emacs project, it's not misleading at all: if you know Emacs is a family of editors, than you know enough to know which of the Emacs he's talking about, and if you don't, than when you think "Emacs," you think GNU Emacs anyways. Stallman hasn't maintained every Emacs, but he's maintained the definitive Emacs since '76, with some gaps here and there. When you think Emacs, you typically don't think THIEF, EINE, ZWEI, FINE, Edwin, Climacs, Hemlock, Efuns, Zile, QEmacs, Multics Emacs, Gosling Emacs, JOVE, JEmacs, Guile Emacs, or Ermacs. You either think of GNU emacs and its derivitives, or the original EMACS. Both of which RMS maintained. It's not a bad idea to give respect to other implementers, but when you maintained the most popular incarnation, twice over, you don't NEED that kind of specificity: people will know what you're talking about.
        lispm 10y ago
        > the definitive Emacs since '76 The Emacs from 76 and GNU Emacs are totally different programs. > When you think Emacs, you typically don't think THIEF, EINE, ZWEI, FINE, Edwin, Climacs, Hemlock, Efuns, Zile, QEmacs, Multics Emacs, Gosling Emacs, JOVE, JEmacs, Guile Emacs, or Ermacs. Talk about you. When I think of Emacs, then I think of Aquamacs (a variant of GNU Emacs), Zmacs (which I have running on a real Lisp Machine and under emulation), Clozure CL's editor (which is a Hemlock variant) on my Mac and the LispWorks editor under OSX and Linux, which is also a Hemlock variant. Actually the Emacs I use most, is the one in LispWorks. GNU Emacs comes second.
hvis 10y ago
RMS hasn't been an actual maintainer since at least 2008. This release has been under the maintainership of John Wiegley, and several previous ones - under Stefan Monnier and Chong Yidong.

Also, this is the last release of Emacs for which RMS will be the maintainer. He's been the principal maintainer on and off since 1976, so he's probably earned a rest.

lispm 10y ago

I was under the impression that GNU Emacs did not exist in 1976. How did he maintain it then?

grabcocque 10y ago
First version, such as it was, is older than me.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- throwanem 10y ago
  Wrap that link in a referer stripper, please. Otherwise it redirects to a NSFW expression of jwz's low regard for Hacker News.
qwertyuiop924 10y ago
He was the principal maintainer of the original EMACS before GNU Emacs. Back when EMACS actually stood for Editor MACroS, and was hacked onto TECO.
- lispm 10y ago
  > Also, this is the last release of Emacs for which RMS will be the maintainer. He's been the principal maintainer on and off since 1976, so he's probably earned a rest. 'Emacs' is not a single line of editor which Stallman maintains. Emacs is a whole class of editors. http://www.finseth.com/emacs.html http://www.finseth.com/emacs.html
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    You can complain, but for most of us, emacs means either: A) A family of editors B) Editor MACroS, a collection of TECO extensions written by various members of the MIT AI lab, and maintained by RMS. C) GNU Emacs, a powerful text editor that was based on EMACS that is written in a combination of C and its own dialect of Lisp. In this case, it's obvious that they mean B or C, or both. RMS isn't quite crazy enough to seriously claim he wrote every Emacs. Yet. ;) In short, it's obvious what they meant, stop being such a pedant.
    - lispm 10y ago
      No, it's not obvious. Stating that Stallman maintained Emacs since 1976 is misleading. Give the proper respect to the other Emacs authors/maintainers.
      - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        Well, considering that this is a Stallman maintained Emacs project, it's not misleading at all: if you know Emacs is a family of editors, than you know enough to know which of the Emacs he's talking about, and if you don't, than when you think "Emacs," you think GNU Emacs anyways. Stallman hasn't maintained every Emacs, but he's maintained the definitive Emacs since '76, with some gaps here and there. When you think Emacs, you typically don't think THIEF, EINE, ZWEI, FINE, Edwin, Climacs, Hemlock, Efuns, Zile, QEmacs, Multics Emacs, Gosling Emacs, JOVE, JEmacs, Guile Emacs, or Ermacs. You either think of GNU emacs and its derivitives, or the original EMACS. Both of which RMS maintained. It's not a bad idea to give respect to other implementers, but when you maintained the most popular incarnation, twice over, you don't NEED that kind of specificity: people will know what you're talking about.
        lispm 10y ago
        > the definitive Emacs since '76 The Emacs from 76 and GNU Emacs are totally different programs. > When you think Emacs, you typically don't think THIEF, EINE, ZWEI, FINE, Edwin, Climacs, Hemlock, Efuns, Zile, QEmacs, Multics Emacs, Gosling Emacs, JOVE, JEmacs, Guile Emacs, or Ermacs. Talk about you. When I think of Emacs, then I think of Aquamacs (a variant of GNU Emacs), Zmacs (which I have running on a real Lisp Machine and under emulation), Clozure CL's editor (which is a Hemlock variant) on my Mac and the LispWorks editor under OSX and Linux, which is also a Hemlock variant. Actually the Emacs I use most, is the one in LispWorks. GNU Emacs comes second.

hvis 10y ago

RMS hasn't been an actual maintainer since at least 2008. This release has been under the maintainership of John Wiegley, and several previous ones - under Stefan Monnier and Chong Yidong.