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I think this is a very troublesome development. I was angry about the lies during the Brexit compaign and I am no UK citizen. I am still angry about all lies fr

by rahkiin 10y ago

I think this is a very troublesome development. I was angry about the lies during the Brexit compaign and I am no UK citizen. I am still angry about all lies from Trump and Clinton and I am no US citizen. I wonder, how can we revert this? How can we go back? The horrific thing is: if I ask someone if the leave campaign will be charged for fraud, they think I am nuts. As if lying politicians are above the law.

Kenji 10y ago
Let's be fair here: The stay campain was lying just as much, if not more, as the leave one. Don't let your political opinion seep into your judgement of who lied and who didn't, or you too are post-fact.
- ZeroGravitas 10y ago
  No. Don't be ridiculous. The leave campaign regularly told lies about even unimportant things. Simple fact-checkable assertions, which they made were simply not true. Not debatable, or open to interpretation. This is from Boris announcing his candidacy: "Sometimes these EU rules sound simply ludicrous, like the rule that you can’t recycle a teabag, or that children under eight cannot blow up balloons, or the limits on the power of vacuum cleaners. Sometimes they can be truly infuriating – like the time I discovered, in 2013, that there was nothing we could do to bring in better-designed cab windows for trucks, to stop cyclists being crushed. It had to be done at a European level, and the French were opposed." The bike one is particularly infurating, as while the French wanted to delay the introduction of the rule, the UK actually opposed it. Which he knows, because he protested this at the time: "London Mayor protests UK block on EU ‘safe lorries’ law" https://www.euractiv.com/section/transport/news/london-mayor-protests-uk-block-on-eu-safe-lorries-law/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/transport/news/london-mayor...
coldtea 10y ago
>The horrific thing is: if I ask someone if the leave campaign will be charged for fraud, they think I am nuts. As if lying politicians are above the law. Rather, democracy is above the law. Because demo-cracy (literally: "people in control" in ancient Greek) is that which makes the laws. Besides, what "fraud" would the leave campaign be charged with? They didn't do any or at any level, any more fraud than the stay campaign.

by rahkiin 10y ago

Kenji 10y ago

Let's be fair here: The stay campain was lying just as much, if not more, as the leave one. Don't let your political opinion seep into your judgement of who lied and who didn't, or you too are post-fact.

ZeroGravitas 10y ago
No. Don't be ridiculous. The leave campaign regularly told lies about even unimportant things. Simple fact-checkable assertions, which they made were simply not true. Not debatable, or open to interpretation. This is from Boris announcing his candidacy: "Sometimes these EU rules sound simply ludicrous, like the rule that you can’t recycle a teabag, or that children under eight cannot blow up balloons, or the limits on the power of vacuum cleaners. Sometimes they can be truly infuriating – like the time I discovered, in 2013, that there was nothing we could do to bring in better-designed cab windows for trucks, to stop cyclists being crushed. It had to be done at a European level, and the French were opposed." The bike one is particularly infurating, as while the French wanted to delay the introduction of the rule, the UK actually opposed it. Which he knows, because he protested this at the time: "London Mayor protests UK block on EU ‘safe lorries’ law" https://www.euractiv.com/section/transport/news/london-mayor-protests-uk-block-on-eu-safe-lorries-law/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/transport/news/london-mayor...

coldtea 10y ago

>The horrific thing is: if I ask someone if the leave campaign will be charged for fraud, they think I am nuts. As if lying politicians are above the law. Rather, democracy is above the law. Because demo-cracy (literally: "people in control" in ancient Greek) is that which makes the laws. Besides, what "fraud" would the leave campaign be charged with? They didn't do any or at any level, any more fraud than the stay campaign.