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So just because the subject at hand "is just hype", you're dismissing the excellent work that goes behind it? For someone who clearly wants to "keep HN pure",

So just because the subject at hand "is just hype", you're dismissing the excellent work that goes behind it? For someone who clearly wants to "keep HN pure", you're very quick to judge a hack by its cover. Guess you didn't read my comment at all.

jacquesm 10y ago
> Guess you didn't read my comment at all. That's really getting old, right along with 'did you read the article'.
- scrollaway 10y ago
  Is it? I've seldom seen it pointed out. Do people keep telling you that? I respect your comments a lot usually, but you're being incredibly arrogant here. You are taking one subject which people quite clearly enjoy, and dismissing reverse engineering work that goes into it just because you don't like it. If this is you standing up for what you wrote, I really do hope you didn't read my comment.
  - jacquesm 10y ago
    > I've seldom seen it pointed out. https://www.google.nl/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+did+you+read+the+article https://www.google.nl/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+d... > I respect your comments a lot usually, but you're being incredibly arrogant here. That's another one of those oft repeated patterns. Usually it means "I like you when we agree, but now that we disagree I don't like you any more". > You are taking one subject which people quite clearly enjoy, and dismissing reverse engineering work that goes into it just because you don't like it. No, I simply don't like dumb games that cause adults to run around like headless chickens whilst ignoring the world around them and then to see my favorite tech news site flooded with one link after another. And yes, it upsets me because it crowds out other submissions not tied into the hype. Then people start making HN specials in order to ride along on the hype. > If this is you standing up for what you wrote, I really do hope you didn't read my comment. You be the judge on that one. Best of luck with HN.
    - scrollaway 10y ago
      I'm not asking if you read the article, I'm asking if you read my comment. But I guess I have my answer now. > Usually it means ... Ok, now you're just doing it on purpose. What it means is I respect you, and I'm surprised you're behaving like a run of the mill HN troll. > I simply don't like dumb games You're still conflating the game and the work that goes behind the game. I don't like Facebook, but I don't shit on articles about React. I think Twitter is one of the dumbest thing on the web right now, but I still read articles about Twitter's engineering, because it's interesting as fuck. You're going on your 10th year on HN. How have you not caught on to this pattern?
      - jacquesm 10y ago
        Note how each of your last three comments contains some kind of personal insult. Is it really that hard to disagree without resorting to personal attacks?
    - jsmthrowaway 10y ago
      You know, Jacques, at one point a few years ago I remember thinking your articles were on the front page too much. Normally I don't pay attention to things like that, but folks who operate their Wordpress as "Administrator" get my attention, and I landed on your blog a lot from the front page. It's interesting that you're the one making this comment for what you want Hacker News to be, because I was pretty tired of Jacques Matthiej's Link Aggregator for a while. (That seems to have run its course, now that I think about it.) I didn't comment about this at the time because literally zero value can come from such a thing, though. I think it's just worth keeping the perspective that a lot of people vote up stories that interest them, and your interests are not the end-all for what is welcome or appreciated here. I get absolutely punished occasionally with voting and that reinforces to me that my opinions often diverge from what everybody here wants, so the last thing I'd expect to be is wise on HN. I don't like SV culture at all, for example. The unabashed sexism and racism, the funneling of money to pointless things that make human beings waste their finite existence building and using them, non-practicing thought leader entities, all of it. This forum can be the epicenter of that at times, along with the other negative traits like a constant desire to prove people wrong. I complain about it while drinking beers and driving my friends away from the bar and carry a passive aggressive attitude a lot when I comment here, but I don't assume based on tenure that I know best for Hacker News nor assert it. And in the rare case that I do, I just email the moderators and annoy them (ask Dan). Given my reputation here I know this comment is a bit out of character. However, take it from someone who hyperventilates a lot at some of the inane shit here: it's better just to link to your friends and collectively laugh rather than hop on a soapbox to lecture everybody. When Paul implemented non-optional graying out of comments based on voting, he was making clear that outlier opinions — which lecturing a majority are, by definition — are not welcome on Hacker News and will be silenced. I've repeatedly mentioned this and Dan has kept it, so it is what HN wishes; that you can showdead but not showgray is also telling. Just keep in mind that being the lone voice against the tide of something you don't like is unwelcome, will be squelched to invisibility by voting, and is a waste of that finite existence again. Just do what I do: internalize it and be bitter so you can look forward to becoming a cranky, cantankerous old shit in your twilight. You could use a mai tai. (I could, too, for typing this comment, though it's 10AM here and late enough for you to get away with it.)

jacquesm 10y ago

> Guess you didn't read my comment at all. That's really getting old, right along with 'did you read the article'.

scrollaway 10y ago
Is it? I've seldom seen it pointed out. Do people keep telling you that? I respect your comments a lot usually, but you're being incredibly arrogant here. You are taking one subject which people quite clearly enjoy, and dismissing reverse engineering work that goes into it just because you don't like it. If this is you standing up for what you wrote, I really do hope you didn't read my comment.
- jacquesm 10y ago
  > I've seldom seen it pointed out. https://www.google.nl/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+did+you+read+the+article https://www.google.nl/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+d... > I respect your comments a lot usually, but you're being incredibly arrogant here. That's another one of those oft repeated patterns. Usually it means "I like you when we agree, but now that we disagree I don't like you any more". > You are taking one subject which people quite clearly enjoy, and dismissing reverse engineering work that goes into it just because you don't like it. No, I simply don't like dumb games that cause adults to run around like headless chickens whilst ignoring the world around them and then to see my favorite tech news site flooded with one link after another. And yes, it upsets me because it crowds out other submissions not tied into the hype. Then people start making HN specials in order to ride along on the hype. > If this is you standing up for what you wrote, I really do hope you didn't read my comment. You be the judge on that one. Best of luck with HN.
  - scrollaway 10y ago
    I'm not asking if you read the article, I'm asking if you read my comment. But I guess I have my answer now. > Usually it means ... Ok, now you're just doing it on purpose. What it means is I respect you, and I'm surprised you're behaving like a run of the mill HN troll. > I simply don't like dumb games You're still conflating the game and the work that goes behind the game. I don't like Facebook, but I don't shit on articles about React. I think Twitter is one of the dumbest thing on the web right now, but I still read articles about Twitter's engineering, because it's interesting as fuck. You're going on your 10th year on HN. How have you not caught on to this pattern?
    - jacquesm 10y ago
      Note how each of your last three comments contains some kind of personal insult. Is it really that hard to disagree without resorting to personal attacks?
  - jsmthrowaway 10y ago
    You know, Jacques, at one point a few years ago I remember thinking your articles were on the front page too much. Normally I don't pay attention to things like that, but folks who operate their Wordpress as "Administrator" get my attention, and I landed on your blog a lot from the front page. It's interesting that you're the one making this comment for what you want Hacker News to be, because I was pretty tired of Jacques Matthiej's Link Aggregator for a while. (That seems to have run its course, now that I think about it.) I didn't comment about this at the time because literally zero value can come from such a thing, though. I think it's just worth keeping the perspective that a lot of people vote up stories that interest them, and your interests are not the end-all for what is welcome or appreciated here. I get absolutely punished occasionally with voting and that reinforces to me that my opinions often diverge from what everybody here wants, so the last thing I'd expect to be is wise on HN. I don't like SV culture at all, for example. The unabashed sexism and racism, the funneling of money to pointless things that make human beings waste their finite existence building and using them, non-practicing thought leader entities, all of it. This forum can be the epicenter of that at times, along with the other negative traits like a constant desire to prove people wrong. I complain about it while drinking beers and driving my friends away from the bar and carry a passive aggressive attitude a lot when I comment here, but I don't assume based on tenure that I know best for Hacker News nor assert it. And in the rare case that I do, I just email the moderators and annoy them (ask Dan). Given my reputation here I know this comment is a bit out of character. However, take it from someone who hyperventilates a lot at some of the inane shit here: it's better just to link to your friends and collectively laugh rather than hop on a soapbox to lecture everybody. When Paul implemented non-optional graying out of comments based on voting, he was making clear that outlier opinions — which lecturing a majority are, by definition — are not welcome on Hacker News and will be silenced. I've repeatedly mentioned this and Dan has kept it, so it is what HN wishes; that you can showdead but not showgray is also telling. Just keep in mind that being the lone voice against the tide of something you don't like is unwelcome, will be squelched to invisibility by voting, and is a waste of that finite existence again. Just do what I do: internalize it and be bitter so you can look forward to becoming a cranky, cantankerous old shit in your twilight. You could use a mai tai. (I could, too, for typing this comment, though it's 10AM here and late enough for you to get away with it.)