I absolutely agree with you, what I'm saying is that this rarely happens. Most people say it's just bad management, but that's the norm. I use to consult until

I absolutely agree with you, what I'm saying is that this rarely happens. Most people say it's just bad management, but that's the norm. I use to consult until I started my own company and over the many companies I worked with maybe only a couple did it correctly. Just to give you an idea, do you think Steve jobs ever really allowed an estimate like this or would've accepted it? It's not just him think Amazon, oracle, EA games, etc. they all have reputations for being aggressive and you either provide and estimate they like or they will provide it for you. And not just the big companies but most of the companies are like this too. Working long hours to try and meet estimates is more than common in our industry. Again I agree with you, and I've seen a couple times, but that's it. It's very very rare is all I'm saying. It's part of the reason I started my own company. I understand that estimates are just estimates, and in most cases they aren't going to work without spending a good amount of time on them. But even then an estimate is an estimate, the same as you get an estimate when doing some major renovations on your house. It's only when you open up the walls and do the actual work that you'll know the true time and costs. You can't predict the plumbing is bad and leaking in your estimation. And sometimes you don't even know who the staff will be. The only way to do a proper estimate is to start the actual work. The only thing I disagree with is that what your describing is the exception rather than the norm. Well that and a week is not enough to do a year long estimate. Of course that also depends on the size of your team, it's easier to estimate for one person than a 20 person team. But 1 week is too short. but even with the appropriate amount of time you should still be ready to accept that once the walls are opened you never truly know what you will find...