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And there is DX12 support for those?

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pjmlp 10y ago
Yes for the XBox ONE, although there are some small differences with the desktop version, at least until the upcoming Aniversary update. But the point he was making was that there is no need for DX12 because Vulkan works everywhere else. Right now Vulkan is only supported on custom Android 6 forks for Samsung S7 and NVidia Shield, Android 7, GNU/Linux and Windows on a restricted set of graphic cards. Hardly a market to target for game developers that want to reach as much eyes as possible.
- mtgx 10y ago
  Vulkan market is MUCH bigger than DX12 market right now, no matter how you put it. It's like at least 3-4x bigger. Just think how much more popular Windows 7 is compared to DX12. Xbox One is nothing in comparison.
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    Have you checked Steam hardware survey lately? Windows 10 users are already 45%, with around 41% having DX 12 GPUs + plus around 20 million Xbox One units. As for market size of Vulkan, some S7 and NVidia shield as part of 10% Android 6, 0% on Android 7 until it reaches stable and of course those other 55% users that might have a Vulkan compatible card.
- shmerl 10y ago
  You didn't answer the question. DX12 has less market than Vulkan, and will always be limited to MS systems. It's not available on PS or iOS and such. So bringing them as a reason to use DX12 instead of Vulkan was pointless.
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    That is not what Steam hardware survey says, given the amount of Windows 10 installations plus XBox.
    - shmerl 10y ago
      Which are MS systems. So again, no point to bring Apple and Sony as examples of why DX12 is preferable. It's useless there.
pohl 10y ago
Metal, on the Apple platforms, is similar.
- shmerl 10y ago
  Metal is inferior to Vulkan.
  - badkangaroo 10y ago
    Metal is and will always be exclusive to apple platforms.
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- Sylos 10y ago
  More similar to DX12 than it is to Vulkan? Because all three are APIs which try to provide a lot more control over the GPU to game developers. And I wouldn't know of any other similarities that DX12 and Metal share...

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pjmlp 10y ago

Yes for the XBox ONE, although there are some small differences with the desktop version, at least until the upcoming Aniversary update. But the point he was making was that there is no need for DX12 because Vulkan works everywhere else. Right now Vulkan is only supported on custom Android 6 forks for Samsung S7 and NVidia Shield, Android 7, GNU/Linux and Windows on a restricted set of graphic cards. Hardly a market to target for game developers that want to reach as much eyes as possible.

mtgx 10y ago
Vulkan market is MUCH bigger than DX12 market right now, no matter how you put it. It's like at least 3-4x bigger. Just think how much more popular Windows 7 is compared to DX12. Xbox One is nothing in comparison.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Have you checked Steam hardware survey lately? Windows 10 users are already 45%, with around 41% having DX 12 GPUs + plus around 20 million Xbox One units. As for market size of Vulkan, some S7 and NVidia shield as part of 10% Android 6, 0% on Android 7 until it reaches stable and of course those other 55% users that might have a Vulkan compatible card.
shmerl 10y ago
You didn't answer the question. DX12 has less market than Vulkan, and will always be limited to MS systems. It's not available on PS or iOS and such. So bringing them as a reason to use DX12 instead of Vulkan was pointless.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  That is not what Steam hardware survey says, given the amount of Windows 10 installations plus XBox.
  - shmerl 10y ago
    Which are MS systems. So again, no point to bring Apple and Sony as examples of why DX12 is preferable. It's useless there.

pohl 10y ago

Metal, on the Apple platforms, is similar.

shmerl 10y ago
Metal is inferior to Vulkan.
- badkangaroo 10y ago
  Metal is and will always be exclusive to apple platforms.
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Sylos 10y ago
More similar to DX12 than it is to Vulkan? Because all three are APIs which try to provide a lot more control over the GPU to game developers. And I wouldn't know of any other similarities that DX12 and Metal share...