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For example, many consider objective morality (race based slavery is bad, say) to be a case for absolute good, which is hard to explain by pure randomness. I j
by nitrogen 10y ago
For example, many consider objective morality (race based slavery is bad, say) to be a case for absolute good, which is hard to explain by pure randomness.
I just want to clarify some incredibly common misconceptions here. There are lots of claims on these issues, so it can be difficult to get a clear picture of which claims are actually supported by evidence.
First, from an empirical perspective, all signs point to morality being an evolved phenomenon. This is studied scientifically by surveying different cultures, conducting game-like experiments, and testing for moral behavior in other species. You can find videos of monkeys who appear to have a sense of fairness, for example, and lots of other species (dogs, crows, other primates, etc.) all display varying levels of behaviors we call moral. This is what we would expect to find if these behaviors evolved as adaptations.
Second, "randomness" is not an accurate word to use to describe evolution by natural selection. Mutations are mostly random, but those rare mutations that survive DNA repair mechanisms and produce a reproductive and survival advantage persist and spread. Something similar occurs with cultural memes, including those layers of morality which do not come from instinct.
Finally, though you didn't mention this specifically, it's important to point out that scientists did not decide there was no God and then set out to prove it (a common misconception with some people I know). Most historical scientists were religious, but over time as more and more evidence was collected, scientists in aggregate found that what they had been taught about God was unnecessary for and often contradictory to their scientific discoveries. Thus, despite some scientists remaining religious, science itself is an atheistic process, as that is what has been proven to work.
It's this track record of epistemological success that leads people to accept metaphysical materialism, not an a priori assumption.
If you want more detailed summaries of the empirical support for these arguments, I recommend the book Why Evolution Is True by Jerry Coyne.
- reitanqild 10y ago> science itself is an atheistic process Should this be non-religious instead of atheistic? When we say atheistic we mist often assume someone who is opposed to the idea of all religions, not just somebody who doesn't let it interfere with his work.
- humanrebar 10y agoI also prefer to consider science as agnostic since it chooses to focus its efforts on physical things like matter and energy. And I believe that was done in the effort to find common ground to reason from. It's a broader form of "assume all cows are spherical" so we can understand the world better.
- nitrogen 10y agoI don't think it's so much to find common ground. I think it's because it works. AIUI scientists have studied the metaphysical (miracles, remote viewing, psychics, ESP, telekinesis, out of body experiences, etc.) and found no evidence any of them exist beyond the obvious physical explanations.