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Ah good ol HN posters and their extreme views. By your same logic radio should have been 'completely gone' 50 years ago.

by fma 10y ago

randomdata 10y ago
Except radio did not really provide a solution to the interactivity problem until the internet came along either. Youtube and Podcasts grew in popularity around the same timeframe, so I don't think it is fair to say that radio is ahead of the curve here.
- fma 10y ago
  I'm not saying it's ahead of the curve. I'm saying it's not "completely gone". I would have no problems if OP says lower audience, lower ad rates...but to say completely gone? These kind of extreme comments serves no purpose but for someone to boost their ego.
  - randomdata 10y ago
    On the assumption of the the parent believing that over the internet on-demand delivered video content will completely replace broadcast TV in 10-15 years, I am asserting that broadcast radio will also take at least that long to disappear, as on-demand radio appeared at a similar point in time. Just because radio is older does not mean that its potential successors, like Podcasts, are older. I am really unsure of where your '50 years ago' timeframe is coming from. If there were interactive on-demand radio services back then, I certainly have never heard of them, and they definitely did not reach a level of accessibility where giving up traditional broadcast radio in favour of on-demand programming could be a realistic option for most of the population. To add to that, audio is not necessarily consumed the same way video is. People might be completely happy to have a non-interactive previously scheduled radio broadcast ready for them when they hop into their car, for instance, while not accepting the same of their screen in the living room. Just because he thinks that non-interactive TV will soon be dead does not mean he believes radio will reach the same fate.
    - fma 10y ago
      You ever heard the song Video killed the radio song? The song came way after TV, but everyone was calling for the demise of radio when TV came out. Stop taking the argument too literally. It's not about interactive vs non-interactive. It's about the next technology killing off the previous one and how narrow minded it is to believe something so ingrained and central to society will disappear so fast. Why don't you set an alert, come back here in 15 years, in 2031, and let me know if TV is gone. I guarantee you it won't.
      - randomdata 10y ago
        > but everyone was calling for the demise of radio when TV came out. But the parent isn't calling for the demise of audio or video content. He's calling for the demise of scheduling done by a third party, where you have to comply to someone else's programming whims. I do think it is fair to say that the TV did completely change the way people listened to radio. > It's not about interactive vs non-interactive. It is precisely about interactive selection vs. being fed programming on a predefined schedule. The original comment was very explicit about this, and he claims the latter will eventually disappear, in favour of the former. He isn't saying people are going to stop watching video content in their living room, he's saying they aren't going to continue to sit down at exactly the time someone else says they have to, else risk missing the show, or be fed content they do not want to see because they want to watch video at that time. From the VCR, to the PVR, to now on-demand Internet streaming the trend is clear that people want to make their own programming schedule choices. As the technology becomes more convenient (Netflix beats setting a VCR by a long shot!), abandoning the old broadcast schedule becomes more and more appealing to more and more people. > Why don't you set an alert, come back here in 15 years, in 2031, and let me know if TV is gone. Because, quite frankly, I couldn't care less if it comes true. I wasn't making the claim in the first place.
sdegutis 10y ago
You're not logic'ing right. You're assuming video : audio :: internet : pre-programmed stream, which isn't correct. Radio and TV both have the same problem of non-interactivity, so his logic says that internet will obsolete both of them in his timeline.

Ah good ol HN posters and their extreme views. By your same logic radio should have been 'completely gone' 50 years ago.

by fma 10y ago

Ah good ol HN posters and their extreme views. By your same logic radio should have been 'completely gone' 50 years ago.

randomdata 10y ago

Except radio did not really provide a solution to the interactivity problem until the internet came along either. Youtube and Podcasts grew in popularity around the same timeframe, so I don't think it is fair to say that radio is ahead of the curve here.

fma 10y ago
I'm not saying it's ahead of the curve. I'm saying it's not "completely gone". I would have no problems if OP says lower audience, lower ad rates...but to say completely gone? These kind of extreme comments serves no purpose but for someone to boost their ego.
- randomdata 10y ago
  On the assumption of the the parent believing that over the internet on-demand delivered video content will completely replace broadcast TV in 10-15 years, I am asserting that broadcast radio will also take at least that long to disappear, as on-demand radio appeared at a similar point in time. Just because radio is older does not mean that its potential successors, like Podcasts, are older. I am really unsure of where your '50 years ago' timeframe is coming from. If there were interactive on-demand radio services back then, I certainly have never heard of them, and they definitely did not reach a level of accessibility where giving up traditional broadcast radio in favour of on-demand programming could be a realistic option for most of the population. To add to that, audio is not necessarily consumed the same way video is. People might be completely happy to have a non-interactive previously scheduled radio broadcast ready for them when they hop into their car, for instance, while not accepting the same of their screen in the living room. Just because he thinks that non-interactive TV will soon be dead does not mean he believes radio will reach the same fate.
  - fma 10y ago
    You ever heard the song Video killed the radio song? The song came way after TV, but everyone was calling for the demise of radio when TV came out. Stop taking the argument too literally. It's not about interactive vs non-interactive. It's about the next technology killing off the previous one and how narrow minded it is to believe something so ingrained and central to society will disappear so fast. Why don't you set an alert, come back here in 15 years, in 2031, and let me know if TV is gone. I guarantee you it won't.
    - randomdata 10y ago
      > but everyone was calling for the demise of radio when TV came out. But the parent isn't calling for the demise of audio or video content. He's calling for the demise of scheduling done by a third party, where you have to comply to someone else's programming whims. I do think it is fair to say that the TV did completely change the way people listened to radio. > It's not about interactive vs non-interactive. It is precisely about interactive selection vs. being fed programming on a predefined schedule. The original comment was very explicit about this, and he claims the latter will eventually disappear, in favour of the former. He isn't saying people are going to stop watching video content in their living room, he's saying they aren't going to continue to sit down at exactly the time someone else says they have to, else risk missing the show, or be fed content they do not want to see because they want to watch video at that time. From the VCR, to the PVR, to now on-demand Internet streaming the trend is clear that people want to make their own programming schedule choices. As the technology becomes more convenient (Netflix beats setting a VCR by a long shot!), abandoning the old broadcast schedule becomes more and more appealing to more and more people. > Why don't you set an alert, come back here in 15 years, in 2031, and let me know if TV is gone. Because, quite frankly, I couldn't care less if it comes true. I wasn't making the claim in the first place.

sdegutis 10y ago

You're not logic'ing right. You're assuming video : audio :: internet : pre-programmed stream, which isn't correct. Radio and TV both have the same problem of non-interactivity, so his logic says that internet will obsolete both of them in his timeline.