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As I said above: there are two separate issues. Whether or not it is hard to deliver the same (relative) improvement in each generation. Whether or not Nvidia h

by 314 10y ago

As I said above: there are two separate issues. Whether or not it is hard to deliver the same (relative) improvement in each generation. Whether or not Nvidia have delivered an improvement in line with their normal trend, or whether they have exceeded it. These are not the same thing. As I said: I am well aware of the engineering challenges at this scale. You are trying to argue that it is hard: so what? Should Nvidia get a badge for "trying hard". It still doesn't change the fact that what they have achieved in this generation is the same (relative) improvement as previous generations. This is not what they were selling in the run-up to the 1080 launch when they were still claiming 10x improvements due to the new memory subsystem. They did not do what they said that they would. This is quite a simple fact - why do you try to argue that what they have done is hard. The difficulty is irrelevant. Do you think that an evaluation of the performance that they achieved should include how hard they worked on it?

astrodust 10y ago
They fit 12 billion transistors on their latest die, that's even more than a top-end Xeon. You can bitch all day from your comfortable arm chair, but they're leading the industry in counts and that alone can't be easy. They're not silk screening t-shirts here, they're pushing their process to the limits. If they were falling behind in transistor counts you might have a case, but they're not.
- 314 10y ago
  So again you are arguing that they are trying really hard. What does that have to do with whether or not this generation is above the trend-line or not?
  - astrodust 10y ago
    I'm arguing they're at the top of their game and they're up against a wall that is not easy to move. It doesn't really matter if it's above or below the trend line. Maybe the trend line is bullshit now because all the things driving it were the easy gains we've exhausted.

by 314 10y ago

astrodust 10y ago

They fit 12 billion transistors on their latest die, that's even more than a top-end Xeon. You can bitch all day from your comfortable arm chair, but they're leading the industry in counts and that alone can't be easy. They're not silk screening t-shirts here, they're pushing their process to the limits. If they were falling behind in transistor counts you might have a case, but they're not.

314 10y ago
So again you are arguing that they are trying really hard. What does that have to do with whether or not this generation is above the trend-line or not?
- astrodust 10y ago
  I'm arguing they're at the top of their game and they're up against a wall that is not easy to move. It doesn't really matter if it's above or below the trend line. Maybe the trend line is bullshit now because all the things driving it were the easy gains we've exhausted.