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I guess Assange would like to see Trump win - quickest way to bring about the downfall of the US
by diyseguy 10y ago
I guess Assange would like to see Trump win - quickest way to bring about the downfall of the US
- mtgx 10y agoSo corruption shouldn't be exposed because someone else may gain political advantage from it? Clinton defenders's arguments are getting stranger by the day.
- 67726e 10y agoMocking those on the opposite side of the aisle from you isn't going to help a damned thing. Maybe if everyone stopped shitting on the opposite party we'd see Congress get their shit together.
- jackmott 10y agoI don't have an aisle, so I can't mock the opposite side. But I can mock the republican aisle for having descending into complete buffoonery. If you have conservative leaning ideals I would suggest abandoning ship and starting something new. Nobody with a functioning brain is voting that way any more. It is a horrible clown show what has happened, unprecedented.
- vowelless 10y agoI don't have an aisle, so I can't mock the opposite side. But I can mock the Democratic aisle for having descending into complete buffoonery. If you have liberal leaning ideals I would suggest abandoning ship and starting something new. Nobody with a functioning brain is voting that way any more. It is a horrible clown show what has happened, unprecedented.
- 67726e 10y ago> If you have conservative leaning ideals You very much have an opposite side of the aisle wether you want to admit it or not.
- nitrogen 10y agoInstant polarization and the fallacy of the excluded middle are probably a huge part of why politics are shunned on HN.
- Mendenhall 10y agoYea its sad to see such educated people become spewers of childish non-constructive rhetoric. Although it is very helpful in determining some people you would never want to work or associate with.
- k-mcgrady 10y agoAs someone with no stake in US politics (so no 'side of the aisle') both candidates are bad. Trump however is another level of bad. An openly sexist, potentially racist man with no political experience, running for the highest political office in your country is lunacy.
- witty_username 10y agoThere's nothing wrong with criticism, but GP hasn't substantiated their opinion, so it isn't helpful.
- 67726e 10y agoLike I said, mocking the other side isn't helpful.
- specialist 10y agoJust to help people manage expectations... Duverger's law suggests that our form of elections results in a two party system. Opponents of the duopoly should advocate for an alternative. Such as Approval Voting. The GOP REDMAP 2001 redistricting (gerrymandering) effort (and the Kochs Bros) created the Tea Party and the extreme obstructionism and partisanship we see today. Even the GOP regrets how successful that effort was (eg #NeverTrump), so expect a walkback on that. Having run for office, I never mock candidates. Not even Sarah Palin. People not involved in campaigns just don't know how rough it is.
- grandalf 10y agoSo we're supposed to tolerate corruption simply to avoid Trump? Trump offers us a lesson that if we don't take democracy (and the underlying components/principles) seriously, it will decay.
- seizethecheese 10y agoObligatory Gary Johnson reference...
- zeroer 10y agoI'm sorry, but you need to spell out clearly what you're saying for some of us.
- sickbeard 10y agojust like Bush offered you a lesson?
- grandalf 10y agoSadly Bush didn't offer a lesson. Obama took office and continued and expanded the Bush Doctrine on foreign policy, greatly increasing extrajudicial actions and drone stuff.
- slg 10y ago> Trump offers us a lesson... I hate to be the check your privileged type, but I can't imagine hearing that from any type of minority person. Sure, if you are an upper middle class white guy, like most of us here, the idea of sending a lesson might be attractive. But that lesson isn't worth sacrifices to the rights of women, LGBT people, Muslims, African Americans, and everyone else that would be hurt be a Trump presidency.
- grandalf 10y agoIf a Trump presidency resulted in any changes to the rights of any of the groups you mention, we'd also have congress to blame. The president does not have the power to make laws. We've seen an ostensibly moderate president (Obama) uphold and extend the Bush Doctrine on foreign policy, killing, mutilating, and devastating all sorts of innocent people throughout the middle east. The lesson we'd learn from a Trump presidence is that we need to be more picky about the sort of people we vote into office. The first step in this is not holding our nose and voting for the major party candidate who offends us slightly less. This election, we get to choose between a democrat who is actually a moderate conservative (and could easily run the same platform as a republican) and a populist Republican, who has borrowed Democratic Party rhetoric on rust belt issues and combined it with some elements of paleo-conservatism. They are both hybrids that defy the party conventions.
- zghst 10y agoTrump isn't going to signal the downfall of the US no more than Obama has. Democrats have adopted the scare tactics and language of Republicans circa 2008
- MrZongle2 10y agoBoth major parties denounce the other's candidates as "the most extreme ever" like clockwork. Once that seed has been planted, confirmation bias does the rest.
- pnathan 10y agoHave you seen Trump's twitter feed? I've rarely seen such spew outside 4chan. Your average software engineer is more qualified, just by the signal virtue of having self control in public. It's widely understood internationally that this is not normative US election wank. I assure you, I'm not a Democrat either. I would probably be a Rockefeller Republican... if such a thing existed today.
- venomsnake 10y agoBerlusconi was worse. Italy somehow survived.
- themartorana 10y agoItaly is in a world of hurt with 12%+ unemployment, a 37% youth unemployment rate, actual problems at the government level with the actual mob, corruption that would make your head spin, and a desperately shrinking economy. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-italy-s-economy-is-about-to-collapse-a7091221.html http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-italy-s-economy-is-a... So no, not so much with the survival.