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Not leaving will create a moral danger. Wouldn't it? It will make it too easy for people to vote according with their guts knowing that they will be saved. It

by huherto 10y ago

Not leaving will create a moral danger. Wouldn't it? It will make it too easy for people to vote according with their guts knowing that they will be saved. It will also empower anti-EU parties in other countries in EU.

ng12 10y ago
> knowing that they will be saved I think this is a big reason why Brexit in the UK and Trump in the US have such large backing. Not saying I agree with either of them -- but people feel ignored, and the establishment's response is to call them ignorant. If we decide we need to "save the majority from themselves" is it still a democracy?
dragonwriter 10y ago
> Not leaving will create a moral danger. Wouldn't it? I'm not seeing it. > It will make it too easy for people to vote according with their guts knowing that they will be saved. Sure, it will make people take non-binding single-issue policy referenda issued as a sop to get people to vote for a party in a general election despite disagreement on an important point with the policies of that party far less seriously. OTOH, the main effect that has is making such non-binding referenda far less likely to actually be offered in the first place, forcing people to seek to consider the whole of their policy preferences in general elections, resulting in governments that better represent the public will including the way it balances priorities between preferences in different policy areas. > It will also empower anti-EU parties in other countries in EU. So far, I've heard people argue that: (1) Britain voting to stay in the EU, given the special deals it already had on top of the special deals that were negotiated condition on the Brexit vote failing would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU, (2) Britain voting to leave the EU, independently of what happens later, would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU, (3) Britain actually leaving the EU would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU, (4) Britain not actually leaving the EU after voting for Brexit would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU, (5) Britain getting favorable treatment in negotiations for post-EU status if it left the EU would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU, (6) Britain getting unfavorable treatment in negotiations for post-EU status if it left the EU would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU I tend to discount such claims when presented without a credible argument to how they would do so compared to alterantives...
netcan 10y ago
It would be a disaster for British Democracy. Imagine if the reverse happened. I would also regard the morning after regrets with a grain of salt. The political establishment (Labour & Tories) were against leaving. The politically influential corporate sectors (especially banking) were against leaving. The media was generally against leaving. The leavers are pretty underrepresented, it would seem. It's not surprising that leave voters seem to have vanished, or changed their minds. Some may have, but even if there was a massive swing (say from 52% to 45%), the un-regretful leave voters are half the country. They won the vote. How can they trust democracy if they are "robbed" of their democratic right. Not leaving will create a mockery of democratic process. It would delegitimize the EU, & even the British polity.

by huherto 10y ago

ng12 10y ago

> knowing that they will be saved I think this is a big reason why Brexit in the UK and Trump in the US have such large backing. Not saying I agree with either of them -- but people feel ignored, and the establishment's response is to call them ignorant. If we decide we need to "save the majority from themselves" is it still a democracy?

dragonwriter 10y ago

> Not leaving will create a moral danger. Wouldn't it? I'm not seeing it. > It will make it too easy for people to vote according with their guts knowing that they will be saved. Sure, it will make people take non-binding single-issue policy referenda issued as a sop to get people to vote for a party in a general election despite disagreement on an important point with the policies of that party far less seriously. OTOH, the main effect that has is making such non-binding referenda far less likely to actually be offered in the first place, forcing people to seek to consider the whole of their policy preferences in general elections, resulting in governments that better represent the public will including the way it balances priorities between preferences in different policy areas. > It will also empower anti-EU parties in other countries in EU. So far, I've heard people argue that: (1) Britain voting to stay in the EU, given the special deals it already had on top of the special deals that were negotiated condition on the Brexit vote failing would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU, (2) Britain voting to leave the EU, independently of what happens later, would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU, (3) Britain actually leaving the EU would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU, (4) Britain not actually leaving the EU after voting for Brexit would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU, (5) Britain getting favorable treatment in negotiations for post-EU status if it left the EU would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU, (6) Britain getting unfavorable treatment in negotiations for post-EU status if it left the EU would empower anti-EU parties in other countries in the EU I tend to discount such claims when presented without a credible argument to how they would do so compared to alterantives...

netcan 10y ago

It would be a disaster for British Democracy. Imagine if the reverse happened. I would also regard the morning after regrets with a grain of salt. The political establishment (Labour & Tories) were against leaving. The politically influential corporate sectors (especially banking) were against leaving. The media was generally against leaving. The leavers are pretty underrepresented, it would seem. It's not surprising that leave voters seem to have vanished, or changed their minds. Some may have, but even if there was a massive swing (say from 52% to 45%), the un-regretful leave voters are half the country. They won the vote. How can they trust democracy if they are "robbed" of their democratic right. Not leaving will create a mockery of democratic process. It would delegitimize the EU, & even the British polity.