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Bathroom bills are the highest expression of the modern US right wing: freedom and liberty for me, but not for you. Endless forgiveness and acceptance for me, O

Bathroom bills are the highest expression of the modern US right wing: freedom and liberty for me, but not for you. Endless forgiveness and acceptance for me, Old Testament fire and brimstone for you. Religious freedom from things that are offensive to me, belittling as "PC police run mad" whenever something offends you. A nation built on the backs of immigrants like me, which now has to keep out all the immigrants like you. Lest you think I joke, this is literally what Donald Trump espouses: Mike Pence, his running mate, gets to make mistakes and be forgiven. Hillary Clinton makes mistakes? LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288097-trump-on-pence-voting-for-iraq-war-i-dont-care http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/28809... And by endorsing that mess, Thiel basically forfeits any moral high ground he might think he holds.

shimon_e 10y ago
The president makes judgement calls not the VP. If you have bad judgement as the president you have no hope. Plus the opposition's job is to disagree with the government when they are wrong.
- robotkilla 10y ago
  > When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy. > Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of? > “Making America great again” was the casual reply. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fmagazine&action=click&contentCollection=magazine&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=3&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-... Edit: I don't know if this is just a gaffe by Trump Jr but it seems to be Trump Sr's style -- hire someone to do the job for you.
  - shimon_e 10y ago
    Donald Trump Jr went onto Morning Joe and said he never said something that stupid. Edit: He said on Morning Joe that Trump Sr was not part of this conversation and his head would be rolling for suggesting such a deal. What makes you think this is Trump Sr's style? From what I can see from his campaign he is very hard working. Always willing to give media reports and has very rapid response times. He responded to Nice within 8 minutes. If anything hiring someone else to do the job seems to be Hillary's style. She always has surrogates speaking to the media. Trump isn't afraid of defending his position to highly critical media. Its something that even his critics admire. No matter if you are a Trump support or hate. There are definitely things you can admire about Trump's character.
    - robotkilla 10y ago
      > He said on Morning Joe that Trump Sr was not part of this conversation and his head would be rolling for suggesting such a deal Probably true, I didn't see the follow up. > What makes you think this is Trump Sr's style? Nearly every solution he offers up is "I can hire the best people for the job". What is he personally going to do? What position or opinion has he personally offered up that wasn't batshit insane? He called for a "total ban on muslims", for months on end talked about deporting 11 million people, tapped an anti-gay VP. I really don't see how this man is qualified to lead a superpower.
jrcii 10y ago
It has nothing to do with freedom or liberty. Men are men and women are women. Then you have psychologically sick people who get confused about what they are. Only liberals could manage to turn this common sense topic into a debate. That billions of people for thousands of years weren't confused about gender is a coincidence, or maybe they were all right wing conservatives too right?
- brian-armstrong 10y ago
  Not even biology agrees with you. And if you want to speak about thousands of years, perhaps you should read up on Greek lit.
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vacri 10y ago
Jon Stewart (paraphrased) pointed out "These guys say 'why are blacks so sensitive [about issues]', 'why are muslims so sensitive [about issues]' .... but god forbid you say 'happy holidays' instead of 'merry christmas', because then it's fucking war" Can't recall the exact point he said it, but it's always interesting to hear him speak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da5VYSPsoE0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da5VYSPsoE0
- Sacho 10y ago
  Jon Stewart is really smart and knows how to turn a phrase. I'm not as good as him, so I'll try to copy him: "These guys say, why are christians so sensitive about their religion, but god forbid you draw a cartoon about their prophet, because then it's fucking terrorism" - except "the war on christmas" is rhetorical spin by fox news, whereas the terrorism committed against people who have breached muslim religious norms is real. That does not mean "these guys" actually support the terrorism, it's simply rhetoric to discredit your opposition. When Stewart says "these guys", I am sure he knows the fallacy he's committing - smearing a whole group by the actions of a subgroup within it. Since most such statements are not followed by rigorous statistical analysis to prove whether this sentiment is widely-held and core to the group, they're almost always just a rhetorical device to score points against your political opponents. Any sufficiently large group will have a dissonance of voices within it. By extracting a particular issue out of its context and reaching for the widest label possible to slap on it, you can accrue political capital without actually dealing with the issue.
siliconviking 10y ago
I believe I've spotted a typo: "Hillary makes mistakes" was probably meant to read "Hillary jeopardizes the security of an entire nation by leaking top secret information to our enemies and then denying everything under oath before getting caught by the FBI". Let me know if that made it clearer, just here to help. Thanks!
- elgabogringo 10y ago
  Agreed. Hillary's crime and subsequent lies were far worse than what forced Nixon to resign. The real fascists who think that law doesn't matter are the ones that nominated her anyway.

shimon_e 10y ago

The president makes judgement calls not the VP. If you have bad judgement as the president you have no hope. Plus the opposition's job is to disagree with the government when they are wrong.

robotkilla 10y ago
> When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy. > Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of? > “Making America great again” was the casual reply. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fmagazine&action=click&contentCollection=magazine&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=3&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-... Edit: I don't know if this is just a gaffe by Trump Jr but it seems to be Trump Sr's style -- hire someone to do the job for you.
- shimon_e 10y ago
  Donald Trump Jr went onto Morning Joe and said he never said something that stupid. Edit: He said on Morning Joe that Trump Sr was not part of this conversation and his head would be rolling for suggesting such a deal. What makes you think this is Trump Sr's style? From what I can see from his campaign he is very hard working. Always willing to give media reports and has very rapid response times. He responded to Nice within 8 minutes. If anything hiring someone else to do the job seems to be Hillary's style. She always has surrogates speaking to the media. Trump isn't afraid of defending his position to highly critical media. Its something that even his critics admire. No matter if you are a Trump support or hate. There are definitely things you can admire about Trump's character.
  - robotkilla 10y ago
    > He said on Morning Joe that Trump Sr was not part of this conversation and his head would be rolling for suggesting such a deal Probably true, I didn't see the follow up. > What makes you think this is Trump Sr's style? Nearly every solution he offers up is "I can hire the best people for the job". What is he personally going to do? What position or opinion has he personally offered up that wasn't batshit insane? He called for a "total ban on muslims", for months on end talked about deporting 11 million people, tapped an anti-gay VP. I really don't see how this man is qualified to lead a superpower.

jrcii 10y ago

It has nothing to do with freedom or liberty. Men are men and women are women. Then you have psychologically sick people who get confused about what they are. Only liberals could manage to turn this common sense topic into a debate. That billions of people for thousands of years weren't confused about gender is a coincidence, or maybe they were all right wing conservatives too right?

brian-armstrong 10y ago
Not even biology agrees with you. And if you want to speak about thousands of years, perhaps you should read up on Greek lit.

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vacri 10y ago

Jon Stewart (paraphrased) pointed out "These guys say 'why are blacks so sensitive [about issues]', 'why are muslims so sensitive [about issues]' .... but god forbid you say 'happy holidays' instead of 'merry christmas', because then it's fucking war" Can't recall the exact point he said it, but it's always interesting to hear him speak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da5VYSPsoE0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da5VYSPsoE0

Sacho 10y ago
Jon Stewart is really smart and knows how to turn a phrase. I'm not as good as him, so I'll try to copy him: "These guys say, why are christians so sensitive about their religion, but god forbid you draw a cartoon about their prophet, because then it's fucking terrorism" - except "the war on christmas" is rhetorical spin by fox news, whereas the terrorism committed against people who have breached muslim religious norms is real. That does not mean "these guys" actually support the terrorism, it's simply rhetoric to discredit your opposition. When Stewart says "these guys", I am sure he knows the fallacy he's committing - smearing a whole group by the actions of a subgroup within it. Since most such statements are not followed by rigorous statistical analysis to prove whether this sentiment is widely-held and core to the group, they're almost always just a rhetorical device to score points against your political opponents. Any sufficiently large group will have a dissonance of voices within it. By extracting a particular issue out of its context and reaching for the widest label possible to slap on it, you can accrue political capital without actually dealing with the issue.

siliconviking 10y ago

I believe I've spotted a typo: "Hillary makes mistakes" was probably meant to read "Hillary jeopardizes the security of an entire nation by leaking top secret information to our enemies and then denying everything under oath before getting caught by the FBI". Let me know if that made it clearer, just here to help. Thanks!

elgabogringo 10y ago
Agreed. Hillary's crime and subsequent lies were far worse than what forced Nixon to resign. The real fascists who think that law doesn't matter are the ones that nominated her anyway.