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In some countries you can't patent formulas or processes or even ideas...

by woliveirajr 10y ago

Jtsummers 10y ago
And, IMO, that's how it should be in the US. But it's not, not yet at least.
pkaye 10y ago
In which countries? Seems like this particular patent is in the EU so that rules out the EU countries...
- iamcreasy 10y ago
  In India you can't patent software. It has to be hardware related. Indian Patent Office issued it this year.
  - cyphar 10y ago
    Except that system can be counteracted by describing a CPU and then describing an algorithm. Richard Stallman had a talk about patents and mentioned the Indian system.
    - iamcreasy 10y ago
      Can you please link the video?
      - cyphar 10y ago
        It's this one I believe. I don't have a timestamp (and don't have 2 hours to go through it to find it), though I believe it is a response to a question at the very end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiKRt3-FbM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiKRt3-FbM0
madethemcry 10y ago
Ideas aren't patentable at all. In no country I guess. You have to transform your idea in something more concrete first. A piece of hardware, a process, a composition of matter you name it. Imagine all those stupid ideas from just lying in the bed and thinking about being patented. Nothing would have been created but everything would have been patented. That's worse than patenting a formula or a piece of software.
- restalis 10y ago
  One can argue that that thought requires effort as well as a number of other preconditions which are not guaranteed to occur without heavy investment. Not all ideas are equal. Some ideas may be just a mindless combination that can be otherwise obtained from a machinal set up, whereas others can be the result of years of work or of some genius visionary. What I consider necessary is a rating system and a qualification threshold for what is worth to be considered a thing that can be claimed and what can not. I'm aware that a deep rabbit hole is opening here around this issue, but the question is if it's worth having it nevertheless compared to what we have now.

In some countries you can't patent formulas or processes or even ideas...

Jtsummers 10y ago

And, IMO, that's how it should be in the US. But it's not, not yet at least.

pkaye 10y ago

In which countries? Seems like this particular patent is in the EU so that rules out the EU countries...

iamcreasy 10y ago
In India you can't patent software. It has to be hardware related. Indian Patent Office issued it this year.
- cyphar 10y ago
  Except that system can be counteracted by describing a CPU and then describing an algorithm. Richard Stallman had a talk about patents and mentioned the Indian system.
  - iamcreasy 10y ago
    Can you please link the video?
    - cyphar 10y ago
      It's this one I believe. I don't have a timestamp (and don't have 2 hours to go through it to find it), though I believe it is a response to a question at the very end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiKRt3-FbM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiKRt3-FbM0

madethemcry 10y ago

Ideas aren't patentable at all. In no country I guess. You have to transform your idea in something more concrete first. A piece of hardware, a process, a composition of matter you name it. Imagine all those stupid ideas from just lying in the bed and thinking about being patented. Nothing would have been created but everything would have been patented. That's worse than patenting a formula or a piece of software.

restalis 10y ago
One can argue that that thought requires effort as well as a number of other preconditions which are not guaranteed to occur without heavy investment. Not all ideas are equal. Some ideas may be just a mindless combination that can be otherwise obtained from a machinal set up, whereas others can be the result of years of work or of some genius visionary. What I consider necessary is a rating system and a qualification threshold for what is worth to be considered a thing that can be claimed and what can not. I'm aware that a deep rabbit hole is opening here around this issue, but the question is if it's worth having it nevertheless compared to what we have now.