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The worst part truly is what happened after he was shot: "The therapist said police then rushed him, patted him down and put him in handcuffs. Kinsey said what

by ceedan 10y ago

The worst part truly is what happened after he was shot: "The therapist said police then rushed him, patted him down and put him in handcuffs. Kinsey said what police did after the shooting is what upsets him the most. “They flipped me over, and I’m faced down in the ground, with cuffs on, waiting on the rescue squad to come. I’d say about 20, about 20 minutes it took the rescue squad to get there. And I was like, bleeding — I mean bleeding, and I was like, ‘Wow.'”" http://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-moments-before-north-miami-police-shot-unarmed-man/ http://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-moments-before-north-... Doesn't sound like the officers had an ounce of common sense. Shouldn't they have applied some pressure to the wound or elevated the leg? I really hope that they didn't just roll him over, cuff him and just watch him bleed.

inuhj 10y ago
If you're going to mount a defense you can't break procedure as though you committed a huge mistake. The cynic in me thinks that the officer was hoping the victim would die in a haze of his own confusion and self-preservation.
MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
It's my understanding that many police are taught to heavily prioritize their own safety over that of suspects/perpetrators (and at times innocent civilians too). It's part of the 'warrior mentality' - for much the same reason that they're quick to shoot first and ask questions later, they're also slow to aid the defeated, as they've got to first make sure they're all right, their comrades are all right, the proper notifications are delivered up the chain of command, the chain of custody is properly established on all present evidence and individuals being detained, etc. None of which is remotely reasonable, imo, but that's the reality of the warrior mentality. What really bothers me most about it is that police and their defenders tend to fixate on the fact that their 'lives are on the line every day' - but they don't mention that their training and behavior goes to great lengths to mitigate the inherent risk of their job, to the point of putting suspects and civilians at significantly higher risk of injury or death when interacting with police.
goalieca 10y ago
Are the cops trained in First aid!? Flipping him on his stomach is the worst thing to do. Wtf is going on America!?
aphextron 10y ago
You're confused why someone who shot a human being for absolutely no reason would have complete disregard for their safety after the fact? Police have effectively insulated themselves from the public so well that we are no longer even human to them. Just "suspects".
- molecule 10y ago
  Even "suspect" seems a bit euphemistic by implying that a conclusion hasn't been reached, "threat" seems more fitting for the view that's described.
justifier 10y ago
i agree (o) the safety and threat response reads as spin to me this is a video of an officer interacting with a person tased unconscious http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629599/Shocking-dashcam-video-shows-officer-tasering-17-year-old-boy-long-went-cardiac-arrest-suffered-brain-damage.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629599/Shocking-das... you are able to render safety and abate threat and provide care the person in the video is unconscious lowering threat to zero and increasing officer safety and yet the officer causes harm another situation where the officers rendered safety and abated threat but ended in the death of Freddie Gray http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ac_1429472111 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ac_1429472111 i think it's offensive both to and of officers to argue safety broadly as if to say any scenario of providing care creates danger to an officer's safety (o) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048040 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048040

by ceedan 10y ago

inuhj 10y ago

If you're going to mount a defense you can't break procedure as though you committed a huge mistake. The cynic in me thinks that the officer was hoping the victim would die in a haze of his own confusion and self-preservation.

MaxfordAndSons 10y ago

It's my understanding that many police are taught to heavily prioritize their own safety over that of suspects/perpetrators (and at times innocent civilians too). It's part of the 'warrior mentality' - for much the same reason that they're quick to shoot first and ask questions later, they're also slow to aid the defeated, as they've got to first make sure they're all right, their comrades are all right, the proper notifications are delivered up the chain of command, the chain of custody is properly established on all present evidence and individuals being detained, etc. None of which is remotely reasonable, imo, but that's the reality of the warrior mentality. What really bothers me most about it is that police and their defenders tend to fixate on the fact that their 'lives are on the line every day' - but they don't mention that their training and behavior goes to great lengths to mitigate the inherent risk of their job, to the point of putting suspects and civilians at significantly higher risk of injury or death when interacting with police.

goalieca 10y ago

Are the cops trained in First aid!? Flipping him on his stomach is the worst thing to do. Wtf is going on America!?

aphextron 10y ago

You're confused why someone who shot a human being for absolutely no reason would have complete disregard for their safety after the fact? Police have effectively insulated themselves from the public so well that we are no longer even human to them. Just "suspects".

molecule 10y ago
Even "suspect" seems a bit euphemistic by implying that a conclusion hasn't been reached, "threat" seems more fitting for the view that's described.

justifier 10y ago

i agree (o) the safety and threat response reads as spin to me this is a video of an officer interacting with a person tased unconscious http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629599/Shocking-dashcam-video-shows-officer-tasering-17-year-old-boy-long-went-cardiac-arrest-suffered-brain-damage.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629599/Shocking-das... you are able to render safety and abate threat and provide care the person in the video is unconscious lowering threat to zero and increasing officer safety and yet the officer causes harm another situation where the officers rendered safety and abated threat but ended in the death of Freddie Gray http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ac_1429472111 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ac_1429472111 i think it's offensive both to and of officers to argue safety broadly as if to say any scenario of providing care creates danger to an officer's safety (o) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048040 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048040