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Because global internet connectivity to help the 1 billion disenfranchised, unconnected 3rd world populace isn't altruistic enough for you? EDIT: For those who

by beambot 10y ago

Because global internet connectivity to help the 1 billion disenfranchised, unconnected 3rd world populace isn't altruistic enough for you? EDIT: For those who aren't intimately familiar with the Google & FB plans for global internet coverage.... you shouldn't so quick to assume that it will only provide access to facebook.com (I happen to know many of the people working on both projects). This is like the people deriding Elon for building the Tesla Roadster first for the wealthy. Progress is a process that requires strategy, planning, and thoughtful rollouts.

lunula 10y ago
Does enslaving them in a pseudosocial mindcage constitute enfranchisement?
ethanbond 10y ago
Sure it is! But they're not giving out Internet connectivity. They're giving out Facebook & Co connectivity. And no, that isn't altruistic enough. Besides the fact that Musk's plans are impressive and admirable regardless of altruism. No one is asking or expecting Musk to forego making boatloads of cash. He is and will continue to be wealthy, and that's the entire point: it's possible to do good without doing charity. Likewise, it's possible to do charity without doing good.
- mpbm 10y ago
  If you're honestly confused why a for-profit corporation needs to find a business model before they can provide a service then go back to the basics and start reading again. Charities are altruistic, and even then it's more theory than practice. For example, when charities altruistically donate food to starving people, they can either send armed guards along with it, or watch the food taken by the local armed militia and sold for profit. Dumping anything free into a market always distorts it, and that's after you figure out how to afford the cost of providing the free thing in the first place.
  - ethanbond 10y ago
    Where did I say I was confused? I only said that Free Basics isn't altruism and we shouldn't be giving Zuckerberg et al. the leeway earned by attempting to do altruistic things.
oliwaw 10y ago
SpaceX is planning on launching a satellite internet constellation with enough satellites to cover most of the globe.
firasd 10y ago
Facebook offered to add an indefinite number of partner sites to the Free Basics program. But the problem is regardless of how many sites are offered in the free data program, it legitimizes the concept of 'zero rating', enabling wireless carriers to split the internet into tiers.

by beambot 10y ago

lunula 10y ago

Does enslaving them in a pseudosocial mindcage constitute enfranchisement?

ethanbond 10y ago

Sure it is! But they're not giving out Internet connectivity. They're giving out Facebook & Co connectivity. And no, that isn't altruistic enough. Besides the fact that Musk's plans are impressive and admirable regardless of altruism. No one is asking or expecting Musk to forego making boatloads of cash. He is and will continue to be wealthy, and that's the entire point: it's possible to do good without doing charity. Likewise, it's possible to do charity without doing good.

mpbm 10y ago
If you're honestly confused why a for-profit corporation needs to find a business model before they can provide a service then go back to the basics and start reading again. Charities are altruistic, and even then it's more theory than practice. For example, when charities altruistically donate food to starving people, they can either send armed guards along with it, or watch the food taken by the local armed militia and sold for profit. Dumping anything free into a market always distorts it, and that's after you figure out how to afford the cost of providing the free thing in the first place.
- ethanbond 10y ago
  Where did I say I was confused? I only said that Free Basics isn't altruism and we shouldn't be giving Zuckerberg et al. the leeway earned by attempting to do altruistic things.

oliwaw 10y ago

SpaceX is planning on launching a satellite internet constellation with enough satellites to cover most of the globe.

firasd 10y ago

Facebook offered to add an indefinite number of partner sites to the Free Basics program. But the problem is regardless of how many sites are offered in the free data program, it legitimizes the concept of 'zero rating', enabling wireless carriers to split the internet into tiers.